Members guitardave Posted December 27, 2003 Members Posted December 27, 2003 I am curious. There is another thread "Taylor or Martin", or something similar, in which the original poster uses a profanity in his signature line, which appears on every post. What are the guidellines for this? I am not easily offended, and am a pretty regular guy. But as you read through a thread in which the same offensive signature line is seen repeatedly, it becomes boring, obnoxious, and offensive. Anyone else bothered by this? I assume the poster is about 17, and with pretty limited vocabulary skills. He probably heard this quote, and saw it as an opportunity to use offensive language in an acceptable way.My .02.
Members bbarkow Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 That is one of the main reasons that I have signatures turned off in my preferences. I just don't care to read some of that stuff. Brent
Members Carle Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I too am put off by obscene lines in the sig's. I try to consider the source. Although I may not know them I can assume their attitude is vulgar. many of them may think it's cute or catchy but I don't think it is. Have you listened to the 25 and younger people talk to each other in the malls, etc. Listen to the music they listen to, it's vulgar also.
Members Anglarna Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Hey, there's no need to be ageist. I think it's a great thing that younger folk are venturing into this quiet little place on the forum. In coming here I - personally - have been exposed to guitarists and music that otherwise I may not have found till much later. Particularly, celtic music, which I had no idea that I would have shared such an affinity with. Sure, I listen to "vulgar" music with "vulgar" lyrics but that's the very nature of diversity. And in my own experience I know people younger than me (I'm 17, btw) who actually listen and like Pierre Bensusan, Django Reinhardt and Al Di Meola. Sure they can probably throw around as many expletives as a tourettes suferer but no less than the adults I know. Back on topic. I think as bbarkow suggested the simplest way around this would be to turn off signatures.
Members LittleBrother Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 You just have to click "report this thread to mod" link and complain. You should not have to disable all signatures because of one or two people. My rule was always that the signature is part of the post so off topic crap, profane, vulgar or spam is not allowed. Most people at HC would probably consider my rules extreme and over the top. IMO enforcing these rules is the entire reason we have people like Carle, Orsino and you nicer folks here. Sure when you enforce the rules a few jerks leave. Mostly punks. But the good thing is that NICE people start appearing. It's alot like running the hoodlums away from a city park and then a year later children and families are back in the park. If you let these people have even an inch it gets totally out of control. When I mention offensive signatures people roll their eyes and call me "Big Brother" well now you know why I've been saying this stuff for a year. The Martin .vs. Taylor was a TROLL post in the first place and to be honest when I saw it I would have deleted the entire thread. You honestly tell me WHAT positives came from that thread ? Any ? I really thought it was a TROLL when I saw the title , the post and the sig. And I am still not convinced it wasnt simply a troll. Which everyone took in hook like and sinker. I'll go mind my own business now That is the kind of thread that ruins these forums IMO.
Members Carle Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Well, it's not so much what you say in private company, it's what is posted here. It just does not look nice and is a bad reflection on the poster. I cuss more than I should at work or when I am with others that cuss some but I try not to post it here. That is just how I feel about it. I also have nothing against the young as I was a teenager once also. I am 62 and not as hostile as I once was. We just like to have a nice clean site here that's all.
Members Anglarna Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I understand where you're coming from and I didnt mean that to seem like I was jumping down your throat or anything Carle. It's just not something that bothers me, personally.
Members LittleBrother Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by Anglarna Hey, there's no need to be ageist. I think it's a great thing that younger folk are venturing into this quiet little place on the forum. In coming here I - personally - have been exposed to guitarists and music that otherwise I may not have found till much later. Particularly, celtic music, which I had no idea that I would have shared such an affinity with. Sure, I listen to "vulgar" music with "vulgar" lyrics but that's the very nature of diversity. And in my own experience I know people younger than me (I'm 17, btw) who actually listen and like Pierre Bensusan, Django Reinhardt and Al Di Meola. Sure they can probably throw around as many expletives as a tourettes suferer but no less than the adults I know.Back on topic. I think as bbarkow suggested the simplest way around this would be to turn off signatures. This is the typical argument by the people DOING the offending. Pick your battles well. This is not one worth fighting for.
Members Carle Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I guess my point is that there are lots of sites to post vulgar stuff and this should not be one of them. I don't let what others post upset me. It's their opinion or style so I just let it be. It's kind of interesting that the Cool Jam site is rather clean. A lot of joking around and a little inuendo and some direct vulgarity but that is what the site is so we have fun in it. That is my point. This site is about acoustic guitars and related items of interest. Not vulgarity.
Members J. Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Yeah, the best way to deal with such a situation is to use the 'report the post to a moderator' function and explain your position. I don't have a signature and don't generally mind them. The only thing I don't like is when people have huge signatures that have paragraphs worth of material (which is pretty much absent from this forum). That's neither here nor there though.
Members orsino Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Look.....certainly there are different levels of acceptance of questionable comments. But some of it's just downright inflamatory. If a person submits a post that they know will make others uncomfortable, then why do it? It serves no purpose other than for shock value and just to flex your personal bravado. I know I'm an old fart now, but when you get to be my age you'll realize how childish it is. Believe me, I speak from experience as I used to love to stir things up. Then I found out it was much more of a challenge to be an interesting human being by attempting intelligent and productive communication. Shocking people is the easy way out.
Members EvilHippy Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I just list gear.....occasionally I throw in a political statement or two as a joke but I know people come here to relax and don't wanna hear about all of it since it is everywhere to begin with. Peace & Love ~ EH
Members guitardave Posted December 28, 2003 Author Members Posted December 28, 2003 Well said, Orsino, LB, and others. I am glad I am not alone in this. Maybe we can turn this whole society around... one post at a time.
Members seven7 Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 i am one that will click on the 'report the post' type deal when i see something vulgar, offensive, etc. sometimes i wonder how much good it actually does though. i dunno.
Members LittleBrother Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by seven7 i am one that will click on the 'report the post' type deal when i see something vulgar, offensive, etc. sometimes i wonder how much good it actually does though. i dunno. Don't worry. It does work. I sent a 'report to mod' last week on a real ugly poster and they whacked it fast as lightning. Just work with them and things will be fine. Your neighborhood watch attitude will help keep things in order. The mod can only do so much and the atmosphere of the room is set by the forumites which are excellent on this forum, IMO of course
Members bigmo66 Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I too am offended by unnecessary vulgarity. It shows stupidity and a lack of vocabulary. I reported that signature and received the following reply, "While vulgarity is not allowed in the topic, it is allowed otherwise". Good thing most of us feel no need to curse for sport. Glad I'm not the Lone Ranger.
Members TaylorFishin' Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Bigmo, You are definitely not alone. I don't want to read the childish, immature, filth either. Orsino, The last Two sentences of your post should be made into billboards and hung on every highway and in every school in the nation. Good post's gentlemen. Makes me proud to be a member of this forum.
Members Anglarna Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by bigmo66 I too am offended by unnecessary vulgarity. It shows stupidity and a lack of vocabulary. I reported that signature and received the following reply, "While vulgarity is not allowed in the topic, it is allowed otherwise". Good thing most of us feel no need to curse for sport. Glad I'm not the Lone Ranger. By your logic most Scottish people would be considered stupid and have a deficient vocabularly. What is vulgarity to you is dialect to another. I do not agree that because a person uses vulgarity that they are stupid, that's a put down and I don't like that. As I said previously, the vulgarity doesnt bother me and perhaps - after thinking a bit more about it - it shouldnt be thrown about on this particular forum. But to deem people idiots and immature is a rash generalisation that is simply ignorant.
Members orsino Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by Anglarna By your logic most Scottish people would be considered stupid and have a deficient vocabularly. What is vulgarity to you is dialect to another. I do not agree that because a person uses vulgarity that they are stupid, that's a put down and I don't like that. As I said previously, the vulgarity doesnt bother me and perhaps - after thinking a bit more about it - it shouldnt be thrown about on this particular forum. But to deem people idiots and immature is a rash generalisation that is simply ignorant. Anglarna,Please don't misunderstand me. You can bet that I am a user of "dialect" as well. But, the key is to know your audience. I have friends with which I am very comfortable throwing out the occasional expletive to get my point across. I don't consider it childish at all. On the forums, folks who don't like conversing that way are forced to view it without much choice in the matter. Sure, it would be easy to say well just go elsewhere if you don't like it. But I don't think it's too much to ask that we abstain from the language on the forum so that EVERYONE will feel comfortable. I'm sure that we all have family members and friends that we know not to use the colorful language with. We do this out of respect for them. I'm just saying that we should extend that respect to our fellow forumites. If you and I want to express ourselves differently with each other, then we should take it off the forum and email each other. That's my point. The language isn't childish or ignorant at all to me. What's childish is using it when we know it may offend others.
Members LittleBrother Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by bigmo66 I too am offended by unnecessary vulgarity. It shows stupidity and a lack of vocabulary. I reported that signature and received the following reply, "While vulgarity is not allowed in the topic, it is allowed otherwise". Good thing most of us feel no need to curse for sport. Glad I'm not the Lone Ranger. Wow, I am surprised by that. Was the offensive material in the signature using the "F" word ? And they said that was allowed on HC in signatures ?
Members guitardave Posted December 28, 2003 Author Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by Anglarna By your logic most Scottish people would be considered stupid and have a deficient vocabularly. What is vulgarity to you is dialect to another. I do not agree that because a person uses vulgarity that they are stupid, that's a put down and I don't like that. As I said previously, the vulgarity doesnt bother me and perhaps - after thinking a bit more about it - it shouldnt be thrown about on this particular forum. But to deem people idiots and immature is a rash generalisation that is simply ignorant. So, Anglarna, are you saying that Scottish people speak mostly using vulgarity? I did not know this. Vulgarity is vulgarity, and dialect is something quite different. Please do not confuse an honest lack of knowledge with the willful use of offensive language. They are not the same. I do hope you can see this distinction, for your own sake.Also, a question for you. When people choose to use vulgarity for a shock value, or impact, they are looking for a response. Why do you accept the the right of the poster to use imflamatory rhetoric, but deny the recipients right to reply honestly? Don't we have the right to say that is not acceptable?Also, if society accepts the lowest common denominator as being the acceptable norm, we will be in an ever declining spiral to the bottom.
Members Carle Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 I hope the Harmony in Harmony Central didn't pack up and leave us. hope they would not allow vulgar/obscene remarks on any of the forums but I guess that is wishfull thinking. I have been to Open Jam and it is, well, it's vulgar. As I said, to many people think cursing is the norm and use it to much. To me it shows a lack of vocabulary and respect. If you talk like that in a social or business environment you may very well be black balled. If you talk like that in a bar or nite club no one will notice. Don't you see the difference? I really don't like to put it this way, but I was taught that nice people don't act vulgar in polite company. Soap doesn't taste good. the younger crowd have no problem calling the girls in the crowd bitch, whore, etc. and it bothers me that the girls have no respect for themselves that they accept that language. It seems they like to be called those names by watching them. Trash is trash. A spade is a spade as the old saying goes. You will be known by the company you keep. By the way Anglarna, I am a decendent of MacGregor clan. I am Scot/Irish, Dutch/German to be exact.
Members Anglarna Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by guitardave So, Anglarna, are you saying that Scottish people speak mostly using vulgarity? I did not know this. Vulgarity is vulgarity, and dialect is something quite different. Please do not confuse an honest lack of knowledge with the willful use of offensive language. They are not the same. I do hope you can see this distinction, for your own sake.Also, a question for you. When people choose to use vulgarity for a shock value, or impact, they are looking for a response. Why do you accept the the right of the poster to use imflamatory rhetoric, but deny the recipients right to reply honestly? Don't we have the right to say that is not acceptable?Also, if society accepts the lowest common denominator as being the acceptable norm, we will be in an ever declining spiral to the bottom. Yes, vulgarity is very common amongst people in Scotland. And yes you have the right to say that swearing is not acceptable on a forum - for you personally - just as I can say that it doesnt bother me. I am however, unsure how you came to the conclusion that I denied anyone anything. I gave my oppinions, which were in the most part disagreements. But I never denied anyone anything. This thread feels totally disproportionate to the limited amount of expletives I have witnessed on here. Ah well, back to talking about guitars. Which after all, is why we're here.
Members bigmo66 Posted December 28, 2003 Members Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by LittleBrother Wow, I am surprised by that. Was the offensive material in the signature using the "F" word ? And they said that was allowed on HC in signatures ? Yep! Vulgarity is allowed in the message and signature. I am no prude and will admit that a well-placed explative can sure get the point across sometimes, but to use a vulgar quote with the "f" word in a sig seems un-necessary.
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