Members Brokenwing Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 What are the advantages of a slot head? Is string angle part of the equation?
Members F-holes Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 More downbearing tension across the nut is part of it. Also slotheads are commonly 12 frets from the nut to where it joins the body. This places the location of the bridge further down, to a wider(or widest) part of the lower bout. This placement takes better advantage of body resonances not available to the instrument when the bridge is positioned higher up.
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by F-holes More downbearing tension across the nut is part of it. Also slotheads are commonly 12 frets from the nut to where it joins the body. This places the location of the bridge further down, to a wider(or widest) part of the lower bout. This placement takes better advantage of body resonances not available to the instrument when the bridge is positioned higher up. What bearing does headstock design have to do with which fret the neck joins the body at?This is a joke, right?
Members LittleBrother Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by Brokenwing What are the advantages of a slot head? Is string angle part of the equation? Well there are many opinions on this that are probably right but here are my personal observations... 1. Most slotheads do indeed lay the string over the nut at a much sharper downward angle that should help tone. I suppose you could design a paddle head to be the same but I have never seen one myself. 2. They are more comfortable to reach up and tune, especially on a small 12 fret guitar like mine. The tuners come right out the back. I love it. 3. They seem harder to change strings at first but now that I am used to it I can easily change strings in less that 2 minutes. Maybe about 30 seconds slower than my paddle heads. 4. They look cool and very vintage, especially when there's no logo on the headstock. 5. Did I mention they look cool ? 6. Some consider 3 on a plate tuners make the head stronger. So does laminating a layer of rosewood or ebony on the surface. 7. Slot heads are easier to break obviously. So not a great thing to buy for a teenager. Did I forget anything ?
Members LittleBrother Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by F-holes More downbearing tension across the nut is part of it. Also slotheads are commonly 12 frets from the nut to where it joins the body. This places the location of the bridge further down, to a wider(or widest) part of the lower bout. This placement takes better advantage of body resonances not available to the instrument when the bridge is positioned higher up. Bill, come on, there's nothing wrong there. Read it again bro. Here's what I read there. summary:slothead more break angle. Many slotheads have 12frets to body and originally were sold that way. 12 fret for the same scale length places the bridge back farther and more string over soundboard, more volume.
Members andrewjudah Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 I for one cant stand the look, not my vision of "cool".
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by LittleBrother Bill, come on, there's nothing wrong there. Read it again bro. Here's what I read there. summary:slothead more break angle. Many slotheads have 12frets to body and originally were sold that way. 12 fret for the same scale length places the bridge back farther and more string over soundboard, more volume. Not wrong so much as misleading IMHO. The logic is twisted. Many 12frets may be slotheads. (Certainly Martin tend to go 12 fret/slot; 14 fret/paddle - but even with Martin there are exceptions each way) But to take the advantages of a 12 fret guitar and attribute that as an advantage of a slot head is not correct. There is no reason apart from aesthetics that I am aware of as to why a particular headstock design is more common on 12 frets/14 frets.
Members Mike Crixell Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by andrewjudah I for one cant stand the look, not my vision of "cool". Fair enough, but it depends on one's perspective. If you've had any experience with classical or vintage guitars, slotheads are most definitely cool. If not, then not. Still doesn't change how cool they actually are, though, which is "VERY." Mike
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by Mike Crixell Fair enough, but it depends on one's perspective. If you've had any experience with classical or vintage guitars, slotheads are most definitely cool. If not, then not. Still doesn't change how cool they actually are, though, which is "VERY." Mike I've got a foot in each camp.I think they look cool - but I don't like them from a practical standpoint.Also - I'm so old I can remember when most ordinary guitars had slotheads and paddle heads were new and cool!
Members andrewjudah Posted July 1, 2004 Members Posted July 1, 2004 Originally posted by Mike Crixell Fair enough, but it depends on one's perspective. If you've had any experience with classical or vintage guitars, slotheads are most definitely cool. If not, then not. Still doesn't change how cool they actually are, though, which is "VERY." Mike Hey, Im just saying they dont look cool to me. Only my personal taste, doesnt mean they arent cool to somebody else, its all personal prefrence.
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Twisted Logic - reminds me of this old Python sketch.Good evening! The last scene was interesting from the point of view of a professional logician because it contained a number of logical fallacies -- that is, invalid propositional constructions and syllogistic forms -- of the type so often committed by my wife. "All wood burns," states Sir Bedevere. "Therefore," he concludes, "all that burns is wood." This is, of course, pure bull{censored}! Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted. All of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan. Obvious one would think. However, my wife does not understand this necessary limitation of the conversion of a proposition. Consequently, she does not understand me. For how can a woman expect to appreciate a professor of logic if the simplest cloth-eared syllogism causes her to flounder. For example: given the premise, "All fish live underwater" and "All mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "All mackerel live underwater", but that "If she buys kippers it will not rain" or that "Trout live in trees" or even that "I do not love her any more." This she calls "using her intuition". I call it "crap" and it gets me very IRRITATED because it is not logical! "There will be no supper tonight," she will sometimes cry upon my return home. "Why not?" I will ask. "Because I have been screwing the milkman all day," she will say, quite oblivious of the howling error she has made. "But," I will wearily point out, "even given that the activities of screwing the milkman and getting supper are mutually exclusive, now that the screwing is over, surely then, supper may, logically, be got." "You don't love me any more!" she will now often postulate. "If you did, you would give me one now and again so that I would not have to rely on that rancid Pakistani for my orgasms!" "I will give you one after you have got me my supper!" I now usually scream, "but not before" -- as you understand, making her bang contingent on the arrival of my supper. "God, you turn me on when you're angry, you ancient brute!" she now mysteriously deduces, forcing her sweetly throbbing tongue down my throat. "{censored} supper!" I now invariably conclude, throwing logic somewhat joyously to the four winds, and so we thrash about on our milk-stained floor, transported by animal passion, until we sink back, exhausted, onto the cartons of yoghurt.... I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell, sex is more fun than logic. One cannot prove this, but it IS in the same sense that Mount Everest IS, or that Alma Cogan ISN'T. Goodnight.
Members Mike Crixell Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by FingerBone Bill Twisted Logic - reminds me of this old Python sketch. Good evening! The last scene was interesting from the point of view of a professional logician because it contained a number of logical fallacies -- that is, invalid propositional constructions and syllogistic forms -- of the type so often committed by my wife. "All wood burns," states Sir Bedevere. "Therefore," he concludes, "all that burns is wood." This is, of course, pure bull{censored}! Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted. All of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan. Obvious one would think. However, my wife does not understand this necessary limitation of the conversion of a proposition. Consequently, she does not understand me. For how can a woman expect to appreciate a professor of logic if the simplest cloth-eared syllogism causes her to flounder. For example: given the premise, "All fish live underwater" and "All mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "All mackerel live underwater", but that "If she buys kippers it will not rain" or that "Trout live in trees" or even that "I do not love her any more." This she calls "using her intuition". I call it "crap" and it gets me very IRRITATED because it is not logical! "There will be no supper tonight," she will sometimes cry upon my return home. "Why not?" I will ask. "Because I have been screwing the milkman all day," she will say, quite oblivious of the howling error she has made. "But," I will wearily point out, "even given that the activities of screwing the milkman and getting supper are mutually exclusive, now that the screwing is over, surely then, supper may, logically, be got." "You don't love me any more!" she will now often postulate. "If you did, you would give me one now and again so that I would not have to rely on that rancid Pakistani for my orgasms!" "I will give you one after you have got me my supper!" I now usually scream, "but not before" -- as you understand, making her bang contingent on the arrival of my supper. "God, you turn me on when you're angry, you ancient brute!" she now mysteriously deduces, forcing her sweetly throbbing tongue down my throat. "{censored} supper!" I now invariably conclude, throwing logic somewhat joyously to the four winds, and so we thrash about on our milk-stained floor, transported by animal passion, until we sink back, exhausted, onto the cartons of yoghurt.... I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell, sex is more fun than logic. One cannot prove this, but it IS in the same sense that Mount Everest IS, or that Alma Cogan ISN'T. Goodnight. Couldn't have said it better on my best day! Now . . . Whut?
Members Mike Crixell Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by andrewjudah Hey, Im just saying they dont look cool to me. Only my personal taste, doesnt mean they arent cool to somebody else, its all personal prefrence. I agree entirely, hence the statement "It depends on one's perspective." In your perspective, you don't think they're cool. THAT's totally cool. Ain't no Slothead Po-leece hangin' around. Personally, I like solid heads and slotheads just as much. Makes it easier to dig acoustics, you know? Mike
Members Carle Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Most slotheads are 12 fret to the body. Most slotheads are classical or flamenco guitars. Most classical and flamenco guitars are 12 fret to the body. Most early 1900's parlor guitars were slothead's. How's that for logic? F-holes statement that most slotheads are 12 fret to the body is true FingerBone Bill, whether you want to believe it or not.
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by Carle Most slotheads are 12 fret to the body. Most slotheads are classical or flamenco guitars. Most classical and flamenco guitars are 12 fret to the body. Most early 1900's parlor guitars were slothead's. How's that for logic? F-holes statement that most slotheads are 12 fret to the body is true FingerBone Bill, whether you want to believe it or not. You don't love me anymore???!!!
Members Carle Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Not true. The love of music and guitars tie us all together and cannot be broken. Just had to insert the logic into the mix.
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by Carle Not true. The love of music and guitars tie us all together and cannot be broken. Just had to insert the logic into the mix. I agree with both you and F-Holes:Many 12 frets are slotheads. (Not all)Many 14 frets are solidheads (Not all)Some 12 frets are solidheads.Some 14 frets are slotheads.Where I disagree is that:Being a 12 fret guitar is NOT an advantage or feature of a slothead. It's a statistical anomally."All slotheads are guitars" and "All guitars are instruments", Carle will conclude, not that "All slotheads are instruments", but that "If he buys a Rainsong it will not rain" or that "Stratocasters live in trees" or even that "I do not love him any more."
Members Mike Crixell Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by FingerBone Bill I agree with both you and F-Holes: Many 12 frets are slotheads. (Not all) Many 14 frets are solidheads (Not all) Some 12 frets are solidheads. Some 14 frets are slotheads. Where I disagree is that: Being a 12 fret guitar is NOT an advantage or feature of a slothead. It's a statistical anomally. "All slotheads are guitars" and "All guitars are instruments", Carle will conclude, not that "All slotheads are instruments", but that "If he buys a Rainsong it will not rain" or that "Stratocasters live in trees" or even that "I do not love him any more." Stratocasters DON'T live in trees?! Oh, the humanity! The humanity!
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by Mike Crixell Stratocasters DON'T live in trees?! Oh, the humanity! The humanity! Don't think I haven't worked out that YOU Mike Crixell are in fact the Pakistani Milkman!
Members Carle Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Oh woe is me, or is it I. Oh well, I is rowin' along fishin' from my 12 fret to the body guitar boat tryin' to catch some of those tree fish with my flyrod:eek:
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by Carle Oh woe is me, or is it I. Oh well, I is rowin' along fishin' from my 12 fret to the body guitar boat tryin' to catch some of those tree fish with my flyrod:eek: And I thought I was crazy! I don't suppose any of this is helping Brokenwing much though.
Members Mike Crixell Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by FingerBone Bill Don't think I haven't worked out that YOU Mike Crixell are in fact the Pakistani Milkman! DAMN!!!
Members Carle Posted July 2, 2004 Members Posted July 2, 2004 Brokenwing spun in and crashed while I was reeling in a tree fish. At least I think it was him. He was muttering something about the crazy posts best I could hear.
Members Brokenwing Posted July 2, 2004 Author Members Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by Carle Brokenwing spun in and crashed while I was reeling in a tree fish. At least I think it was him. He was muttering something about the crazy posts best I could hear. Sorry...I was absent for a bit and when I returned to my modest question about slotheads I found all this...this...free association! Chaos. Neat.
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