Members WilsonMak Posted July 10, 2004 Members Posted July 10, 2004 What does it mean? People are losing interest in Taylor?
Members kwakatak Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Curious: what models are gettng passed up on? There may some deals to be had.
Members guitarcapo Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 I think there's a glut of Taylors right now. A lot of musicians own them, and a lot of stores are selling them new. They are great guitars, but the Taylor factory is cranking them out in huge numbers outstripping demand. I can't imagine them appreciating in value over time like Martins and Gibsons did in the 60's. People selling Taylors can't imagine these guitars will go down in value from the price they paid new but that's common with most consumer items.I predict prices dropping more in the future
Members mj3 Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Paid: $13,400 Sacrifice for $9,500 Yeah, I can see that in the local papers....................................................
Members Prozak Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Well I've seen quite a few people who buy taylor guitars because they think they are the best. They've never heard of people like Larrivee, or Lakewood, or Santa Cruz. They are somewhat misinformed. And it may be these people that are putting these guitars up on ebay at a high price. These guitars that you say nobody is bidding on, can they be had for good deals? Maybe the reserves are too high, iono.
Members WilsonMak Posted July 11, 2004 Author Members Posted July 11, 2004 that was my case as well. When I bought my Taylor the only high end guitars I knew of were Gibson, martins, tacomas and taylors...ala Guitar Center stock. I had never bothered with other brands cause I never knew of them. Taylor also seems to be the hip thing to play with the yonger artist these days like Michelle branch, Jason Mraz, Will Bowen and many others I don't even recognize when I turn on the tv. I'm really starting to crave the deeper sound of a gibson J45 tho.
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Originally posted by guitarcapo I think there's a glut of Taylors right now. A lot of musicians own them, and a lot of stores are selling them new. They are great guitars, but the Taylor factory is cranking them out in huge numbers outstripping demand. I can't imagine them appreciating in value over time like Martins and Gibsons did in the 60's. People selling Taylors can't imagine these guitars will go down in value from the price they paid new but that's common with most consumer items. I predict prices dropping more in the future Bought my '86 655 for $900 about 4 years ago and sold it last year for $2700 and a 355...
Members LittleBrother Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Last year Taylor was absolutely flooding the market with guitars. Many people commented on the over stock. I imagine that could be one reason. I also think Larrivee and some other brands are stealing some of their thunder. Some of the mystique is wearing off.
Members guitarcapo Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Bought my '86 655 for $900 about 4 years ago and sold it last year for $2700 and a 355... Jesus. Somebody overpaid. I bought a 710CE 5 years ago new for 1,600 and was happy to get 1,350.00 for it last year on Ebay.What makes a used 655 worth $2,700 PLUS a Gibson 355?
Members woody b Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Most of the Taylor's I saw on Ebay are overpriced, that's probably why they aren't selling. I think there was as many pages of Martins as Taylors and some of them were overpriced too. I think the ES problems have hurt Taylor some but probably not much. Anyway, my Taylor 710CE is the only guitar I've ever lost money on, but it's the only one I've ever bought new too.
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted July 11, 2004 Members Posted July 11, 2004 Originally posted by guitarcapo Jesus. Somebody overpaid. I bought a 710CE 5 years ago new for 1,600 and was happy to get 1,350.00 for it last year on Ebay.What makes a used 655 worth $2,700 PLUS a Gibson 355? No, it was a Taylor 355...sorry for not being clearer. As for why, it was one of the "transisition" models, with a "martin" type bridge, as opposed to the earlier moustache or current style bridge. And he wanted it pretty bad...and seemed pretty pleased when I agreed to his offer...being a guitar dealer, I assume he had profit in mind. (See photo...btw, this is THE ugliest picture of me in existence...hope you're not trying to eat!)
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 12, 2004 Members Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by guitarcapo Jesus. Somebody overpaid. I bought a 710CE 5 years ago new for 1,600 and was happy to get 1,350.00 for it last year on Ebay. What makes a used 655 worth $2,700 PLUS a Gibson 355? You don't get it!? This guitar was owned by Terry Allan Hall! This obviously influences the price - just look at the prices Claptons guitars go for at his charity auctions. People will pay over the odds for guitars that were once owned by stars! Jeez, I shouldn't have to explain this stuff to you guitarcapo. It's guitar buying one-oh-one!
Members guitarcapo Posted July 12, 2004 Members Posted July 12, 2004 I'm thinking maybe because it's a collectors item or something? It's a 12 string I can see and maybe the bridge is different but that seems like a lot of cash for a Taylor without any pearl. Brazilian Rosewood Taylors sell in the 2 to 3 thousand range for example. At any rate for some reason I don't look at Taylors as "collectors items" as much. Their design advances have mostly been in improving construction techniques for mass production which makes a great guitar but doesn't really bring out fond nostalgia like a slotted headstock or herringbone trim do. I love Taylors but don't like the polyester plastic feeling finish.I even tried to get one built without finish so I could have it finished in nitrocellulose laquer custom but the Taylor rep said that's one custom option that would be impossible.
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted July 12, 2004 Members Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by FingerBone Bill You don't get it!? This guitar was owned by Terry Allan Hall! This obviously influences the price - just look at the prices Claptons guitars go for at his charity auctions. People will pay over the odds for guitars that were once owned by stars! Jeez, I shouldn't have to explain this stuff to you guitarcapo. It's guitar buying one-oh-one! LOL...funny, I always asumed that would bring down the price!
Members poozmeister Posted July 12, 2004 Members Posted July 12, 2004 I have a 20th anniversary Taylor XX-RS (rosewood-spruce) from 1994. I really like it. 250 XX-RS were made, and 250 XX-MC (mahogany-cedar). Despite the limited production, the price of these has gone down. When I see them for sale, it is always well under 2k, but they were higher when new. So at least for the first 10 years, they aren't exactly investment guitars... but they still sound and play great. I don't know about today's Taylors. I hope with their high production they have been able to keep up quality. A challenge for any maker. Pat D. p.s. I am impressed that mine is still in great shape. Taylor got a lot of bad press back then. "Their tops are too thin", or "The bolt on neck isn't stable", or "The sound won't improve with age", and others.... but as I said, I still like mine.
Members FingerBone Bill Posted July 12, 2004 Members Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Terry Allan Hall LOL...funny, I always asumed that would bring down the price!
Members guitarcapo Posted July 13, 2004 Members Posted July 13, 2004 p.s. I am impressed that mine is still in great shape. Taylor got a lot of bad press back then. "Their tops are too thin", or "The bolt on neck isn't stable", or "The sound won't improve with age", and others.... but as I said, I still like mine. In the late 80's a remember a music store owner complaining that they were too susceptible to climate changes and tended to crack for him to carry the line. Something about the California humidty and NYC dryness not being compatible. The bolt on neck that Taylor has NOW is a vast improvement over the ancient dovetail. If luthiers had the technology back then they would have made guitars that way. Thank God tubes were invented before transistors were discovered or there would never be any tube amps.
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