Acoustic amps???

[btb&dr=tone]

The guitar player in my band has two amps that he uses with his acoustic. One is a low end Marshall. The other is a Peavey TNT bass amp. I think that neither one of them is good for the sound of the acoustic. He has a nice Fender with a Thinline pickup and Fishman preamp on it. It just sounds like doo doo going into these amps. Is there a good acoustic that I can recommend to him. He always plays the acoustic so it would be worth his while to get one.

 

Thanks

[btb&dr=tone]

I know it is a Behringer but hell its got to be better than what is going on now.

 

 

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[UGB]

I wouldn't move on that Behringer. I owned one Behringer amp new and that's the last Behringer amp I'll ever own.

 

If you search this forum you'll see a ton of threads on this topic but I'll save you some time:

 

1. Carvin AG100D

2. Ultrasound

3. Tech 21

[Brokenwing]

If you need real volume look at the Fishman Loudbox.

[IdaCrue]

I have that Behringer amp and I like it....Had it for over a year now and no problems....If you have a lot of money look at a California Blond....

[maudib]

I recently bought the fishman loudbox and for the money I don't think you can find anything better, or louder---that's for sure (the loudness). I can't even turn this thing to 5 in my house without rattling the furniture. If this is for playing with a band the fishman is excellent because it can cut through the mix. Also, I must say after using RMC's pickup (www.rmcpickup.com) system all under the saddle pickups just sound like crap to me. You'll pay more but you pay for what you get. With RMC each string has it's own individual pickup and this makes for much more full and more balanced sound from the guitar. I think some other manufacturers make pickups like this too.

[jazzalta]

 

Originally posted by UGB I wouldn't move on that Behringer. I owned one Behringer amp new and that's the last Behringer amp I'll ever own. If you search this forum you'll see a ton of threads on this topic but I'll save you some time: 1. Carvin AG100D 2. Ultrasound 3. Tech 21

 

 

Not exactly specific UGB. I own a Behringer and love it! To each his own I guess.

[LittleBrother]

Ultrasound just improved the line again with a DS3 model which has more separate effects for each channel individually and XLR and line in on every channel. Ultrasound just upped the features and it's getting very hard to beat that product.

 

My other faves. Carvin AG-100D hard to beat for a great amp that does it all.

 

AER was very impressive but expensive and in the same class but perhaps more features is the Schertler.

 

Fishman loudbox is getting alot of praise and they have a newer pro model out now if I recall. All these amps have strengths so might want to get out and try them. People have different needs, taste and budgets.

 

Ultrasound is about the best bang for the buck in the nicer brands. Carvin is about the best bang for the buck with slightly less quality on the controls and electronics.

 

One thing that sets the Ultrasounds apart are little things like metal shafts on the controls with metal nuts bolting them to the faceplate. Big heavy rubber feet. Nice handles and hardware.

[jaminn]

I love my Ultrasound AG-50D. It is great for playing at home and maybe very small solo venues. Plus it is very light weight. But, I tried using it in a band setting and had to crank it almost all the way up to be heard. Could have used a bit more power. If I had it to do over I would probably go for the 100 watt model. But I am usually plugged into the house system when I play in a band setting anyway.

[bobby yarrow]

This is my first post in this forum, but just yesterday I got my 50 watt DS2, bought largely on the advice of you folks. Real pleased with the amp, and wanted to say thanks.

 

My big concern was sufficient volume for stage use, with a loud rock band behind me. Really just needed a personal monitor, with a direct out for the front-of-house. I very nearly bought a much larger amp, and I'm glad I didn't.

 

With a sunrise p/u guitar, using the sunrise pre, I can't clip the input gain unless I'm feeding back. That surprised me. And in my studio live room, I can't get above 3/4's of the available volume without wanting earplugs and feeding back like crazy. My rare earth p/u guitar is with a certain outfit in Bozeman, Montana . . . haven't seen it since february . . . and that's another story.

 

(Side note: haven't figured out whether the gain structure matters. My first inclination is to leave the input gain at about 50% and use the master volume to set the level. My second inclination is to leave the master volume wide open and adjust the volume with the input gain. The "manual" is silent on this. I love manuals, and was sorry not to get a proper one with this amp. I even miss the sections where I get congratulated for my purchase, and where they tell me not to bring the amp in the bathtub with me.)

 

The amp sounds real good. I don't think I've heard a mag p/u sound better, really, even through a good PA. It sounds plenty big and wide, especially for its size, and even sound vaguely like the guitar I'm playing. The tonal balance is there at least, if not all the air and wood, and that I'm not going to get out of a sunrise pickup.

 

I don't think I'd get any more use out of a larger amp. For one thing, if I wanted to get even the full volume out of this amp, I'd need an outboard eq to pull in the feedback -- and then what's the point? I do half wish I'd held out for the DS3, as I'd much rather have a second instrument input than a mic channel, but that's easily addressed with a direct box I guess.

 

Alright. This wasn't meant to be a honeymoon review, but just a thank you. So, thanks.

[RainsongDR1000]

Originally posted by btb&dr=tone The guitar player in my band has two amps that he uses with his acoustic. Thanks

 

 

I assume that being a band you have a PA? It would be best to just run the acoustic through the PA. Guitar amps are way too midrangey to make an acoustic sound good. Acoustic amps are really just small PA's. Save your money and just get a good preamp/DI (Baggs PADI) and go straight to the PA. Also, it will be one less piece of equipment to lug around and clutter up the stage.

[bobby yarrow]

Until 2 days ago, I always went straight into the PA. The problem with that being that I was relying on the soundman to get the acoustic guitar into my monitor, which almost never happened. After playing one more show last week with literally no acoustic guitar in the monitor mix -- my 3 charming thru-the-mic requests for more ac gtr in my monitor resulting, I later learned, in more and more of it being added to the house mix (makes me shiver to think about it) -- I decided enough was enough.

 

If I had my own person doing sound and proper load-in and soundcheck, I might not bother with the amp. Course, then I might have somebody to carry my gear, in which case, why not?

[bobby yarrow]

 

Originally posted by bobby yarrow . . . haven't figured out whether the gain structure matters. My first inclination is to leave the input gain at about 50% and use the master volume to set the level. My second inclination is to leave the master volume wide open and adjust the volume with the input gain. . . .

 

 

For the curious, I'll report that emailed the nice folks at Ultrasound about this, and in summary their suggestion is to balance the two levels evenly -- both at half-way, for example.

 

Brought the amp out last night, and I'm still real pleased with the volume and sound. So, thanks again.

[UGB]

 

Originally posted by jazzalta Not exactly specific UGB. I own a Behringer and love it! To each his own I guess.

 

 

I guess I should give them another try sometime. I was just so totally underwhelmed by the one I owned that I've never given them a second thought. That was a couple of years ago; perhaps stuff has changed since then.

[jazzalta]

I should clarify. I only use it as a practice amp. I have an Ultrasound that I use on stage.

[Blackwatch]

 

Until 2 days ago, I always went straight into the PA. The problem with that being that I was relying on the soundman to get the acoustic guitar into my monitor, which almost never happened. After playing one more show last week with literally no acoustic guitar in the monitor mix -- my 3 charming thru-the-mic requests for more ac gtr in my monitor resulting, I later learned, in more and more of it being added to the house mix (makes me shiver to think about it) -- I decided enough was enough.

 

 

Man that sounds familiar....I bought the Berhinger acoustic and it solved the problem....

[numrologst]

Acoustic amps blow. I have never heard an acoustic amp that is as loud as my PA. I use EV powered PA speakers... 2 for the audience, one for my monitoring.

 

I send one out of my AG stomp to my monitor, the other end goes to the mixer.

 

PA's are way better for acoustics. All you need is a good DI

[King Tutt]

 

Originally posted by numrologst Acoustic amps blow. I have never heard an acoustic amp that is as loud as my PA. I use EV powered PA speakers... 2 for the audience, one for my monitoring. I send one out of my AG stomp to my monitor, the other end goes to the mixer. PA's are way better for acoustics. All you need is a good DI

 

 

 

What DI do you use......?

What would you recommend...and NOT recommend?

Thanks

King:)

[Terry Allan Hall]

 

Originally posted by bobby yarrow Until 2 days ago, I always went straight into the PA. The problem with that being that I was relying on the soundman to get the acoustic guitar into my monitor, which almost never happened. After playing one more show last week with literally no acoustic guitar in the monitor mix -- my 3 charming thru-the-mic requests for more ac gtr in my monitor resulting, I later learned, in more and more of it being added to the house mix (makes me shiver to think about it) -- I decided enough was enough. If I had my own person doing sound and proper load-in and soundcheck, I might not bother with the amp. Course, then I might have somebody to carry my gear, in which case, why not?

 

 

Solo gigs, I just listen to my guitars through my PA/monitors...but trio gigs, I really appreciate my Kustom KAA-65 for a "guitar monitor" (w/ a line-out to the PA...both my "bassist du jour" and I use just enough volume to hear each other/ourselves and we let the PA do the real amplification).

 

It's nice to be able to hear everything/everybody clearly!

[Guitar Adoptions]

Try out the New Schertler David 80 Watt amp if you get a chance also! Well worth the money!

[telemanfrom mas]

If you need stage volume, nothing beats the Fifhman Loudbox..

 

Editor's Pick in Guitar Player on all the Acoustic amps shoot out.

 

Brutal little beast, incredibly clean sound..

 

-ta

 

-tele

[omegaman]

GC is closing out any Trace Acoustic TA50 and 100r's they have left. I say nail one down for their closeout price, a 100 r should go for about 599.00. Original retail is 1700.00. A steal. They are absolutely fantastic!

[GCDEF]

I have an Ibabez Troubador TA-35. It sounds pretty good and has no trouble being heard along with a drummer.

 

Due to a change in my stage configuration I'm selling it if you're interested.

[washburntrip]

he just needs to get an amp thats made for acoustic guitars versus a bass amp so it will deal with the high ranges better. unfortunately u wont find a quality acoustuc amp for less than 250

[69lespaul]

I haven't seen anyone mention this on this thread. I have a Fender Acoustisonic Junior. I love it. It has a real balanced dedicated line out to the PA, and more than enuff stage volume. I recently left a country band (reason I bought it was lead vocal/rhythm player in that band) and it did all I needed and more. It sells around 400 bucks. I tried acoustic amps from 300 (peavey) to 800 (trace elliot) AND FOR THE BUCK THIS AMP WAS GREAT.