Members gdb53 Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 Mine needs its truss rod loosened... is it a good idea for me to try and do this myself? the model is S778, its one of the multi soundhole, rear access ones.
Members tapeman1 Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 Truss rod adjustments are pretty basic maintenance. Anyone who knows how to use an allan wrench is qualified. Are you sure it needs to be loosened and not tightened? Also, you shouldn't turn the nut more than a 1/4 turn per day.
Members 54merk Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by gdb53 Mine needs its truss rod loosened... is it a good idea for me to try and do this myself? WHY? What symptom are you trying to correct. The truss rod is not a cureall for high action. Read this before you do anything: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenSetup/TrussRods/TrussRodAdj/tradj.html
Members talkgtr Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 "anyone had any experience setting up ovation guitars"? I set one up on a shelf and it rolled off, dang roundback.
Members OrvilleGibson Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by 54merk WHY? What symptom are you trying to correct. The truss rod is not a cureall for high action. Read this before you do anything: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenSetup/TrussRods/TrussRodAdj/tradj.html Good link. I'll just point out that there is a chance that he needs to introduce some relief in the action. Pretty common on some production guitars, as they overtighten them at the factory. Another cause might be lighter gauge strings, humidity effecting the neck and not the body, etc.
Members seven7 Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 definitely check out frets.com multi-soundhole ovation? if it's like the celebrity deluxe then you have to take off that round cover on the back of the guitar, and then reach through the hole to get to the truss rod. let me tell you, it's a MAJOR pain in the butt...and i have skinny arms! it really tried my patience. but it can be done. eventually
Members gdb53 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by 54merk WHY? What symptom are you trying to correct. The truss rod is not a cureall for high action. Read this before you do anything: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenSetup/TrussRods/TrussRodAdj/tradj.html I'm not stupid........ The truss rod needs to be LOOSENED because the neck is currently dead straight. The action is fine. The reason I ask is because it has a thing they call a 'Kaman bar', i dunno if its any different to a normal truss rod, but there seems to be two of them... I guess I should have specified that in the original post.
Members gdb53 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by talkgtr "anyone had any experience setting up ovation guitars"? I set one up on a shelf and it rolled off, dang roundback. LOL. Give me a roundback over a traditional any day. unplugged, mine sounds like a jumbo acoustic, but is about half the size
Members guitardel Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 I have an Ovation Adamas, and I find I have to move the truss rod several times a year, depending on the humidity. I have not found it hard to do, and have never needed to turn it more than 1/4 of a turn; often less. Minor surgery, but not too dangerous. Del.
Members 54merk Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by gdb53 I'm not stupid........ The truss rod needs to be LOOSENED because the neck is currently dead straight. The action is fine. The reason I ask is because it has a thing they call a 'Kaman bar', i dunno if its any different to a normal truss rod, but there seems to be two of them... I guess I should have specified that in the original post. My apologies if I insulted you but we get lots of people who think they should loosen or tighten their truss rods to change the height of the strings. It may just be a double truss rod? I have called Kaman and they are very helpful, however since you're halfway around the world you can try email. If you do not have any luck send me a PM and I will give you the email of a very good Ovation authorized repairman.
Members gdb53 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Members Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by 54merk My apologies if I insulted you but we get lots of people who think they should loosen or tighten their truss rods to change the height of the strings. It may just be a double truss rod? I have called Kaman and they are very helpful, however since you're halfway around the world you can try email. If you do not have any luck send me a PM and I will give you the email of a very good Ovation authorized repairman. No worries... I guess my original post wasn't very clear. I'll try getting in touch with Kaman, cheers. Just out of interest, whats the purpose of a double truss rod? Does it just mean you can correct your neck if it becomes reversed bowed? Its different to a double action truss rod right?
Members Etienne Rambert Posted September 8, 2004 Members Posted September 8, 2004 I thought only LX's had the two-part truss rods. I haven't adjusted my Ovation Elite's neck in 16 years, since I bought it new. If something goes wrong with it (doubtful), I'll take it to a specialist.
Members 54merk Posted September 9, 2004 Members Posted September 9, 2004 Originally posted by gdb53 Just out of interest, whats the purpose of a double truss rod? Does it just mean you can correct your neck if it becomes reversed bowed?Its different to a double action truss rod right? A double truss rod system uses two rods, side by side, in theory, to keep the neck from twisting. The Guild 12 strings use this system, and they are incredibly strong and stable instruments, however they are also very sturdily constructed. I believe a dbl. action truss rod can push or pull.
Members OrvilleGibson Posted September 9, 2004 Members Posted September 9, 2004 I believe a dbl. action truss rod can push or pull. Yep, kind of. A single action truss rod can only bend in one direction, usually working to bend the peghead end of the neck down to counteract the pull from the strings. To increase the relief, you simply relax the nut on the truss rod a bit and let the string tension pull the peghead end into position. If you continue to loosen up the nut, it gets to the point where it simply doesn't apply any pressure to the rod (and the nut eventually comes off ), but it will not bend the rod in the opposite direction so that the peghead end comes up. An example of a double action truss rod is the StewMac Hot Rod - I've used them, and they're great. An example of a single-action rod would be the traditional Gibson single rod, as well as a bent or double rod such as the one described in the Cumpiano and Natelson book.
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