I sure want one of those guitars

[gazzer58]

Hello you acoustic guitar lovers out there. This forum I enjoy very much. I love all kinds of music and I sing too. I

[kwakatak]

Hey, gazzer58:

 

There certainly is something about a rosewood OM. There are probably cheaper alternatives that wouldn't bite into your budget quite as much. Compare the 000-28 with one of these. You might save yourself a little money.

 

Martin OM-21

Martin 000-16RGT

Larriv

[JasmineTea]

000-28 is 24.9" scale. Most other Martins are 25.4"

 

Rule number 1: Never sell any music gear unless you know you won't miss it ten years from now. (It usualy takes a person ten years to learn this lesson.)

[jackwr]

Sounds like you already told yourself not to and are just looking for agreement. Wish I had the 67 strat I trade in in the 80's...they ain't run out of rosewood quite yet.

[Freeman Keller]

fwiw the only guitars I've ever sold were ones I knew I didn't want to keep (an old yamaha 12 string). Other than that I've got my first guitar (69 yamaha that I bought in college), my first good guitar (74 D-18), my good 12 string (but I'm GASing for another), two resonators (keep 'em in different tunings), a Taylor (gift from my wife, how could I ever get rid of it), and a new little r/w fingerpicker (well, I built it so I gotta keep it). Right now I'm building a classical, then another 12 and maybe.....

 

The only reason I can think of getting rid of a git is either if you don't or can't play it, you have replaced it with something similar but better, or you simply need the cash (selling a kidney or two would be better tho).

 

Neil's suggestions of the OM-21 is worth considering too, probably Martin's best bang for the buck in a small body. Otherwise, save your quarters and buy the one you truely want.

[gazzer58]

Ok thanks I'm over it for now, I'm saving up for something rosewood, I only now realized the deferent sounds between mahogany vs. rosewood, I guess that

[Freeman Keller]

Gazzer, this has a great comparison between r/w and hog (the r/w is even Brazillian!). The thing that makes it so great is the work they went thru to make sure that nothing else affects the comparison. It is designed to compare two mahogany dreads, but the Braz is the benchmark

 

Shoot out

 

I've posted these two links before but I'll repeat them here. To my ears they are harder to tell the differences, but still there

 

Maury's clips

 

More Martin clips

 

There are also some great sound clips in the stickies at the top of the HC Acoustic page - take a listen.

 

To my humble ears, hog is woody and kind of bluesy, r/w is much more complex. Bluegrassers like their D-18's for lead and D-28's for rhythem, altho obviously many do either.

[guit30]

wish I hadn't sold a Martin D-16GT, but I couldn't play it then

Jim

[jackwr]

Gazzer58,

 

Your in NE phila. (I use to be in Frankfort) Hook up with the Holmesburg Jam. Thursday nights, Winter, Blvd Lanes. Summer somewhere on the river. Bunch of nice folks when you get to know them. There's usually a variety of dreds there. Might let try a few out if they know your in the market. There all helpful and it's fun to jam with. It's open to all.

 

http://www.icdc.com/~fmoore/

[kwakatak]

 

Originally posted by jackwr Gazzer58, Your in NE phila.

 

 

... or is it NE Pennsylvania in general? Having lived in both areas I've found that they are very different in musical opportunities.

[jackwr]

ops! long drive for thursday night.

[kwakatak]

Originally posted by jackwr ops! long drive for thursday night.

 

Nah - it's only 1.5 hours down I-476 from Wilkes-Barre to Plymouth Meeting. Ya just gotta know where the speed traps are!

[gazzer58]

 

... or is it NE Pennsylvania in general? Having lived in both areas I've found that they are very different in musical opportunities.

 

Kwakatak

I'm Up here above Scranton the upper valley, probably takes 2 hours and change, to go to Philadelphia Just a bit too far and gas expensive right now. but sometimes I

[Freeman Keller]

 

Originally posted by gazzer58 JasmineTea interesting point About martin scale length I never realized the scale lengths on the 000 28 is a bit shorter then the others. What dose it mean?

 

 

Gazzer, I'll try to give a brief answer to this - Martin's "standard" scale length is 25.4 inches - most dreads, the OM's and 000's except the 18 and 28 series are this scale (it doesn't matter whether they are 12 or 14 fret clear - the bridge is just moved down the lower bout). Some models, including the 000-18's and 28's are "short scale" - 24.9 inches. The result is a little less tension for a given tuning - easier to bend notes and maybe a little easier to play. On the other hand, if you tune down or play slide the lesser tension can be a problem.

 

You can get all the specs for a given model from the Martin web site. Because the subject of OM's and 000's comes up so often there is a FAQ at UMGF listing the specs OM and 000 specs

 

And I have a spread sheet listing all the Martin models and their specs - if you would like a copy PM or e-mail me with an addy that I can send it to.

[gazzer58]

Freeman Keller

In regards to your answer to my question about martin scale length thank you

 

I'm falling in love with my ooo1c martin hog back and sides again like any long-term relationship it

[kwakatak]

 

Originally posted by gazzer58 Kwakatak I'm Up here above Scranton the upper valley, probably takes 2 hours and change, to go to Philadelphia Just a bit too far and gas expensive right now. but sometimes I

[JasmineTea]

Originally posted by gazzer58 JasmineTea interesting point About martin scale length I never realized the scale lengths on the 000 28 is a bit shorter then the others. What dose it mean?

Less tension. Makes the strings easier to manipulate (I hate that word..) Less tension also means less volume. The strings don't pull as hard on the top so they don't transfer as much energy to the top, and, you can't strum very hard without getting some buzz. Nice for fingerstyle though. Freeman's explanation sounds good to me.