Members martingibson70 Posted March 22, 2006 Members Posted March 22, 2006 Anyone play in a band whose drummer plays the electronic /modeling type of drums? I find the prospect of volume control, direct recording, and modeling on drums intriguing. I love how real drummers sound as opposed to machines but the sheer decibal levels...they're exhausting.
Members Cldplytkmn Posted March 22, 2006 Members Posted March 22, 2006 i've heard really convincing drum sounds from roland digital sets... but i still have a huge hang up about them
Members JasmineTea Posted March 22, 2006 Members Posted March 22, 2006 Some drummers have a realy light touch even with sticks, some use brushes. In one of the bands I play with, we practice acoustic, no mics, no amps. The drummer uses brushes, sounds great.
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted March 22, 2006 Members Posted March 22, 2006 Any talented drummer can play softly and still create a groove...life's too short to play with any other sort!
Members Mikeo Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Terry Allan Hall Any talented drummer can play softly and still create a groove...life's too short to play with any other sort! yep, right on
Members Hudman Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Terry Allan Hall Any talented drummer can play softly and still create a groove...life's too short to play with any other sort! I agree 100%. Unfortunately, it's hard to find drummers with "touch". Most bang the hell out of their drums no matter what.
Members Cortfan Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 My old drummer played his '66 Ludwigs-he was awesome. My current drummer plays Roland V-Pro electric drums. He is also awesome, and they are much easier to record and play live with. I would never go back after listening to the Rolands. He has like 105 different kits in his module.
Members Preacher Will Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by Cortfan My old drummer played his '66 Ludwigs-he was awesome. My current drummer plays Roland V-Pro electric drums. He is also awesome, and they are much easier to record and play live with. I would never go back after listening to the Rolands. He has like 105 different kits in his module. Yeah, my drummer plays Rolands and we love 'em! Great sound, very versatile with dozens of different kits all available at the touch of a button. Regardless of the venue size, no volume problems. The monitor mix is always spot on and they take up way less room and are easier to transport than a full acoustic kit. Everybody's got their "thing" though. One of our praise band drummers won't touch them so we have two drumsets pretty much permanently set up in the sanctuary! One is an acoustic set, one electronic.
Members Hudman Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Why have a drummer if they are going to play electronic drums? I say buy a drum machine. The drum machine will always be to the gig on time and it will never bring it's dumb girl friend to band practice. Another plus, is the drum machine won't argue, cry or throw drumsticks.....
Members Cldplytkmn Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 the more i think about this, the more polar my opinion becomes... i hate them... they're very useable, don't get me wrong, more power to those folks who use em... when i'm on stage, i don't want to hear drum sounds coming out of my monitor mix... i want to feel the kick drum pushing air into the small of my back or into my pant legs... digital drums just have no soul... my drummer buddy won't play them cause you can't do certain things with them, like hit the rims or the shells in a fill, you know stuff like that. i don't care for the cymbals either i knew a guy who played a hybrid set, his toms and kick were pads and the snare and cymbals were real... a pretty good compromise.
Members JasmineTea Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Nothing better than a real drummer playing real drums with real calf-skin heads and real wooden sticks and who makes a real honest-to-goodness mistake now and then. But hey, some people like acoustic guitar simulators. wtf, sounds just like a guitar to me...
Members knockwood Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by Cldplytkmn the more i think about this, the more polar my opinion becomes... i hate them... they're very useable, don't get me wrong, more power to those folks who use em... I hate the IDEA of the things. It's like the abomination of decaf coffee taken to some nightmarish extreme... non-alcoholic whiskey... Looks the same and pours the same and tastes almost the same... except once the spirit has been removed, wtf is the point? Hyperversatility and hyperfunction have their uses, I'm sure. One of the things I love about acoustic guitars is how materially simple they are - and the challenge of figuring out how to tap the goddamn INFINITE versatility of expression hidden behind that deceptive facade of simplicity. Swiss Army instruments? F that. I'm an analog dork. Still use an old manual SLR camera and would still be using my manual typewriter if I could figure out how to conjure up the Martin website on that bitch... What the hell was my point, though? Oh yeah. You ever notice that you never see an old lady with a young dog? WTF?
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by knockwood I hate the IDEA of the things. It's like the abomination of decaf coffee taken to some nightmarish extreme... non-alcoholic whiskey... Looks the same and pours the same and tastes almost the same... except once the spirit has been removed, wtf is the point? Hyperversatility and hyperfunction have their uses, I'm sure. One of the things I love about acoustic guitars is how materially simple they are - and the challenge of figuring out how to tap the goddamn INFINITE versatility of expression hidden behind that deceptive facade of simplicity. Swiss Army instruments? F that. I'm an analog dork. Still use an old manual SLR camera and would still be using my manual typewriter if I could figure out how to conjure up the Martin website on that bitch... What the hell was my point, though? Oh yeah. You ever notice that you never see an old lady with a young dog? WTF? Well, I agree about the SLRs...My Pentax LX-1s will always be a part of my life.OTOH, electronic drums kits are just as musical as any other drum kit...as long as they're played by a musician!
Members Cldplytkmn Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by knockwood the challenge of figuring out how to tap the goddamn INFINITE versatility of expression hidden behind that deceptive facade of simplicity. like damn poetry
Members eor Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 an electronic kit is only as good as it's "brain". expensive ones sound really convincing. low end ones sound like crap at any volume through any pa.and personally, i can't play on the low end, rubber pad models. the triggers are wierd and i get extra hits and stuff. i do ok on the mesh pads. the feel makes a difference. the fake hihats are also much better than the rubber pad with a pedal.that said, neither will replace an acoustic drumset for eor. nothing will top it. and yes, there are certain things that just can't be replicated on an electronic kit. yet.love,eorplus, i'd have to pay about $5000 for a kit that plays and sounds about 80% as good as the one i got for $200 (67 ludwig)
Members martingibson70 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Members Posted March 25, 2006 Great discussion. I like that the supporters of "real" drums have reasons. I also the like the idea of a hyrbrid kit, some electronic and some"real". I particularly like the idea of an electronic kick. The low frequencies are the ones most difficult to insulate. The sheer volume of traditional drummers and drums always leaves me fatigued. And, given that drummers "with touch" are about as elusive as a Yeti, I will content myself with the machine.
Members JasmineTea Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 Originally posted by eor plus, i'd have to pay about $5000 for a kit that plays and sounds about 80% as good as the one i got for $200 (67 ludwig) Nah, you can find a good used set for around $500 or less, fix it up with new heads, cymbals, whatever. I paid $500 for my Tama set and did just that. Bought some heads and a couple nice crash cymbals.
Members bcjames Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 I play acoustic drums. Ive not been playing long, but living in a Uni flat, its kinda forced playing dynamics on me. Id probably make a great jazzer, as I feel more uncomfortable hitting hard now! Id love an electronic set for practice, but while Roland TD sets (the only ones I'd consider buying) are still around
Members bcjames Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 Originally posted by JasmineTea What's a "shell pack"? A set of drums. No hardware, etc.
Members JasmineTea Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 Originally posted by bcjames A set of drums. No hardware, etc. Drums with heads and rims? just no cymbals and stands? kick peddle?
Members bcjames Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 Not allways heads, but they normally come with something. No stands, cymbals, kicks, racks, sticks, stools, helper monkeys.
Members JasmineTea Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 So does the music shop put these shell kits together? or the manufacturer? They just kinda toss in whatever seems like a good idea?
Members bcjames Posted March 25, 2006 Members Posted March 25, 2006 Its how high end kits come. By the time you buy drums as shell packs, you either have nice hardware, or know specificly what you want.
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