Members Cldplytkmn Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 what did mahogany ever do to you??
Members knockwood Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Cldplytkmn what did mahogany ever do to you?? Oy.
Members bjorn-fjord Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Looks like a 2x4. I think it's Bob's goal to complete remove the human element from guitar production. "Order your new Taylor guitar now. Yours' will be the first human hands to touch it!"
Members Hudman Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 What year is that from? That neck / head joint is silly. It looks like cheap furniture.
Members daklander Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Hudman What year is that from?That neck / head joint is silly. It looks like cheap furniture. Actually, cheap furnture would have the pieces butted together with glue and a small strap tacked on to hold things together.
Members Cldplytkmn Posted April 1, 2006 Author Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Hudman What year is that from?That neck / head joint is silly. It looks like cheap furniture. that's a brand new guitar... from the new R. Taylor line... goes for something like 3-4 grand. here's the thing... i know that everybody says its stronger, etc... it probably is, when properly assembled... but there's no chance in hell you're going to convince me that ole Bob thought this up as a way to A) save wood or B) make stronger necks. This had to come from "how can we cut our costs"... had to. I won't be convinced otherwise. it looks like a $2 piece of corner trim.
Members kwakatak Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Cldplytkmn that's a brand new guitar... from the new R. Taylor line... goes for something like 3-4 grand. here's the thing... i know that everybody says its stronger, etc... it probably is, when properly assembled... but there's no chance in hell you're going to convince me that ole Bob thought this up as a way to A) save wood or B) make stronger necks. This had to come from "how can we cut our costs"... had to. I won't be convinced otherwise. it looks like a $2 piece of corner trim. $3-$4K for THAT?!?!?!?Oh no he didn't!!!
Members Cldplytkmn Posted April 1, 2006 Author Members Posted April 1, 2006 http://www.buffalobrosguitars.com/r.taylor.html
Members kwakatak Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Cldplytkmn http://www.buffalobrosguitars.com/r.taylor.html Yeah, you're right: they are frigging UGLY neck joints! You'd think that they'd try to at least match the wood better too; you can even see the difference in the long shots!
Members JasmineTea Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Lots of wood filler too. I like the 3-piece necks that are put together the long way. Whatever that kind of lam is called, like old Gibson jazz guitars and such.
Members solitaire Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by JasmineTea Lots of wood filler too. I like the 3-piece necks that are put together the long way. Whatever that kind of lam is called, like old Gibson jazz guitars and such. Yeah, Gibson style necks are still put together in that way. You can find these on Guilds and God knows whats too. As for the picture of C's, that's just an icon with a red X on it, so I couldn't be more precise than that.
Members tiger roach Posted April 1, 2006 Members Posted April 1, 2006 Well at least the tuning machines look slick...
Members SusanV Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 that's the kind of joint they use in "paint grade" lumber. strong, but in need of a good coat of paint to hide it. and ilke Kwak says, they could at least pay more attention to matching the wood color. sheesh...here I am at the Taylor factory, explaining to them how to clamp those neck and tail blocks. ( I guess I need to go back out there and talk to him about this other nonsense they've been doing since my last visit
Members guitarswh Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Taylor has been dong this for several years now on ALL of their guitars. When they first made the change many of our more knowledgeable customers and collector types, really complained about it, but Bob would hear none of it. He calls it "responsible" guitar making. I agree with many others, it's about money and nothing else.
Members t60 fan Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Just cover it all up with Koa-patterned HPL and all will be swell.
Members kwakatak Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by SusanV that's the kind of joint they use in "paint grade" lumber. strong, but in need of a good coat of paint to hide it. and ilke Kwak says, they could at least pay more attention to matching the wood color. sheesh... here I am at the Taylor factory, explaining to them how to clamp those neck and tail blocks. ( I guess I need to go back out there and talk to him about this other nonsense they've been doing since my last visit Man, that "paint grade lumber" reference really hits home! I say it's about high time you went back and packed a ruler to rap them on the knuckles! BTW , can somebody define "responsible luthery?" That sounds like a cross between one of those feel-good, new-age, touchy-feely sayings and greedy-corporate buzzwords like "dynamic" and "synergy"! Who said that the liberats and the conservitards can't work together? OK - rant over. Man, I feel cleansed! I do comprehend the concept: conserve resources by not wasting wood to make a headstock when a separate piece of wood will do. But I'd much rather see them do a 2 or 3 piece neck with headstock face- and backplates kind of like how Paragon does, I believe. Can somebody who has stock in Taylor bring that up at the next board meeting? (no pun intended)
Members studyscoot Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by kwakatak Can somebody who has stock in Taylor bring that up at the next board meeting? (no pun intended) Its a private company owned by only Bob and Kurt, so no, they make the calls. I do agree with you on this completely. They could do much better, especially on their R. Taylors. I am lucky that the taylors that I own doesn't have a joint that visibly sticks out. Luckly I guess, but it is odd how they can make it match great on my 3 and 4 series taylors, but not on their high-end models. I'll post pictures of my jointed headstock, you have to really look to see it.
Members riffmeister Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 they're all like that.....have been for years.I'll keep my Collings, thank you very much.
Members SusanV Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by kwakatak Man, that "paint grade lumber" reference really hits home! I say it's about high time you went back and packed a ruler to rap them on the knuckles! Good idea But now the big question. should the ruler be mahogany, koa, or rosewood? (aaahhh.... i really crack myself up )
Members kwakatak Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by SusanV Good idea But now the big question. should the ruler be mahogany, koa, or rosewood? (aaahhh.... i really crack myself up ) Simple: it should be adler!
Members DonK Posted April 2, 2006 Members Posted April 2, 2006 Guess I'll be the iconclast here...I'd take one in a minute. Wish the neck profile was a little thicker, but the fingerjoint doesn't bother me.
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