Members RKW Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 ....play on a 1 3/4 nutted guitar? Do you have to spend a bit of time readjusting or do you just immediatly start blazing away cuz it feels so easy? What's the dang deal?
Members DonK Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Depends...some will hate 1 3/4", because it will feel too wide for chording. Everything's a trade-off, there's no "one-size-fits-all". I find that the playability of the nut width and string spacing on a given guitar can be offset - whether an advantage or disadvantage - by the neck thickness/profile, fret type, etc. Most people that try playing a 1 3/4" Gallagher Doc Watson will find it a bear (hugely thick baseball bat neck) compared to a 1 11/16" Martin D-41. OTOH, many will find a 1 3/4" Taylor (electric guitar-shaped neck) a joy to play compared to the D-41.
Members Dave Keir Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Great question! I played short-scale narrow-at-the-nut guitars all my finger-picking' life (40+ years) without even knowing you could get wider nuts. I only found out after I bought a OOO-28 and lurking over at the UMGF that 1 3/4" guitars were made and were actually preferred by a lot of finger pickers! Long story short, I bought an OM-18V with this wider nut and immediately faced the challange apropos your question. Here's my conclusion: it depends. It depends mostly on how adventurous your playing is - particulary as regards fretting hand stretches. If the guitar is longer scale, too, there will be added tension in the strings which I find noticable. People say that picking is easier/more accurate with the wider string spacing at the bridge, but personally speaking, I can't feel any difference. The bottom line is that I find the OM with the wider nut, longer scale, and modified V neck a very different guitar, feel-wise, and it did take time to adjust to it. I deliberately laid off the OOO for a few weeks in order to get to feel comfortable and confident with the OM. It was important I did so for public performance and recording purposes. Now, though, I can happily switch between the guitars and adjust easily. Muscle memory is everything. I wouldn't be without either guitar. [Edit: shorter scale, narrow neck guitars are "faster" with respect to movement over the fingerboard.]
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 It's just whatever feels right..I fingerpick or flatpick on whatever guitar I've got in my hands at that moment, depending on the song. Lotsa folks fingerpick on a narrow neck, and plenty flatpick on a wider neck...the only guitar I've ever found with a neck that was just too narrow to play well was a Rick 12-string I owned briefly (think it was a 365-12)...and plenty of folks (with skinnier fingers) love them, too!
Members Cldplytkmn Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 its not to say that i don't feel the difference, cause i do... but it doesn't make a difference to me... i always played 11/16 necks and just a year or so ago got a 3/4 width larrivee... i had almost zero adjustment time... I find there are tunes that are easier to fingerpick on the narrow neck, some are easier on the wider neck... strumming is fine on either width... now, unless i switch between them back to back, i don't even notice.
Members Hudman Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Neck profile and shape are far more important. If the neck feels comfortable, the guitar will be easier to play.
Members kwakatak Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Well, I started out playing fingerstyle on a Martin-style dread with a 1.6875" wide nut on a neck with a modified C profile and found it to be too fat because of the neck profile. I could get around the relatively narrow string spacing but because of how I had to position my wrist I was being held back from being able to fret cleanly on particularly challenging pieces. With that in mind I shopped around and eventually settled on a Larrivee OM with a much slimmer neck profile. Sure the 1.75" nut to a little adjusting to, but it didn't take that long (just a few minutes really). It was overshadowed by the joy of overcoming a perceived limitation that I couldn't get around with my other guitar. BTW - the tone also played a big factor. The dread was muddy for certain pieces but not so with the OM. Now I play both guitars but for different styles of music.
Members markwayne Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 You know I've never understood all the fuss in the width at the nut. It can be nice to have a little extra space down there for 1st position chord work. But that advantage erodes pretty quickly as you move up the neck. What I can't adapt my flatpicking to is the 2 1/4" or wider spacing at the saddle that seems to go hand in hand with a wider nut. Give me a 1 3/4" nut with a 2 1/8" saddle please! Wayne
Members TimZ Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 My skills are limited but I play a 1.8" Seagull and I find it easier to switch to a smaller nut size rather than play a smaller nut and go bigger. One thing I like about the wider nut sizes is that I have moist skin and my calluses collapse after awhile so the additional space allows for that as my fingers settle in closer to the strings.
Members Freeman Keller Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Mostly why people talk about 1-3/4 being "fingerstyle" guitars has more to do with the extra 1/8 at the saddle than 1/16 at the nut. It lets me get my bare thumb and fingers down between the strings, while a pick works better with them closer together. And, altho I think I prefer wider fretboard guitars, I fingerpick equally poorly on everything from 1-11/16 to 1-7/8 (and even 2 on the classical) and struggle with those little bitty frets on my mando. Long scale, short scale, and really short - all kinds of radius too. I sure can't blame my crappy playing on my instruments
Members Tony Burns Posted January 12, 2007 Members Posted January 12, 2007 Most fingerpickers like the wider fingerboard ( 1 3/4 ) -over the narrower ones like 1 11/16 - thou it doesnt seem like much it is when you play it . I actually play faster on a wider fingerboard than a narrow one , possibly because i play my OM-28v more than a few of my Dreads with a narrower board - i think as a whole Dreads are more of a flatpicker and OM's as a Fingerpicker - but I know folks who do what they want when ever they want and they make it sound good- go figure. Dont really think theirs a set fast in concrete rule !
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