Members johnkline Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 OK, let me set the scene. First the positives. Ebay seller had 50+positive feedback, no negatives. 150.00 for a red label fg-110 with a pickup installed... Here's the Description: this red label 110 is a great deal at $120 plus $30 to ship. has it's share of dings and dents and i widened the nut to fit the E string as it is currently strung lefty. really is a righty. action at the 12th fret is a nickle. the last owner had the neck ding fixed at the soundhole button and it appears fine. also has a imput jack and sounds good plugged in. buy it now! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nippon-gakki-yamaha-guitar-red-label-fg-110-electric_W0QQitemZ180150648734QQihZ008QQcategoryZ118982QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem So I did a little research after buying it while waiting a while for delivery and here was the previous owner who sold the same guitar two months prior, a lot more specific on the damage: http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200112423167 Here's his Description:Great old 72 Yamaha Nippon Gakki Red label FG-110 serial # 20302390.These guitars are very well made and they sound really good. This one has a thinline undersaddle pickup in it, it looks and sounds like a Martin thinline pickup from the 80's, works well and sounds great. This guitar has had a very solid neck repair done no issues(please see pics). Some nicks and scratches but, overall in pretty nice shape. It plays good and the fretts are in good condition. Here are pictures I took this evening : Ok, so the box I got today was the absolute worst box I have ever seen packaged, it was actually partially open, how it survived I will never know. He had it strung for a lefty and I was worried the nut would be damaged but it was fine, but I was nervous when restringing with the neck. I got it up to tune and it sounds good so far, and the action is great. I only had like 10 minutes to play it with the kids running around. I'm kind of bummed because I'm worried I won't be able to add a strap button on the neck down the road when I play out. I know I got the guitar for a beater backup and for 150.00 I've blown that money on worse crap in my days. What do you all think, as long as it's a good repair, no big deal? How would you handle dealing with feedback on ebay?
Members Treborklow Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 The seller called the damage a "ding" and didn't show any pics of the "ding" in his listing. Since it is far worse than a "ding", I'd drop a DONG on his FB after he leaves his.
Members hempomatic Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 Yeah, certainly worse than a ding. I'm not a luthier, but I'd never trust that neck. Any chance on getting your money back?
Members killersoundz Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 the neck repair is probably strong...i'd still leave negative feedback after he leaves his just for being a douche!
Members hempomatic Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 the neck repair is probably strong...i'd still leave negative feedback after he leaves his just for being a douche! Probably being the operative word. It would just make nervous. I guess the bottom line is, if the neck is square to the body, the action is OK, and you like the tone...... How about the truss rod? I'd be nervous tweaking that too. That's just me man, if you like the guitar, that's what counts. Like you said, you've "blown money on worse crap".
Members babablowfish Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 This is really outrageous. That is no "ding." That SOB flat out knew that the neck had significant damage and had been repaired and did not mention it. That is inexcusable. If you want to keep the guitar that is your choice. I would contact the seller, demand my money back including shipping costs and send him the guitar back. If he refused I would file a complaint with ebay and leave scathing feedback.
Members AK47 Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 This is really outrageous. That is no "ding." That SOB flat out knew that the neck had significant damage and had been repaired and did not mention it. That is inexcusable. If you want to keep the guitar that is your choice. I would contact the seller, demand my money back including shipping costs and send him the guitar back. If he refused I would file a complaint with ebay and leave scathing feedback. +1 Baba got it right. This guy was definately being misleading.
Members bbarkow Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 I'd go to Ebay first. Even as an honest seller, I never leave feedback first. Never.
Members EvilTwin Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 This is really outrageous. That is no "ding." That SOB flat out knew that the neck had significant damage and had been repaired and did not mention it. That is inexcusable. If you want to keep the guitar that is your choice. I would contact the seller, demand my money back including shipping costs and send him the guitar back. If he refused I would file a complaint with ebay and leave scathing feedback. +2 If that's a "ding," getting T-boned in a car wreck is just a "dent."
Members denvertrakker Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 Well, let's consider this a bit more rationally. First, yes, that horrible neck repair is way more than a ding. But second, let's give the seller a chance. A guy with 100% positive feedback should have an interest in keeping it that way. Contact the seller, explain your feelings calmly, and see how he responds. The one bad thing in his listing is that he doesn't state his policy on returns...unless I missed it. Bear in mind, Ebay won't do squat - especially on someone with 100% feedback. Their new policy is to take action only when feedback falls below 95%. But - contact him and see if he'll take it back before you do anything else. Unless you're so in love with it you want to keep it.
Members johnkline Posted August 28, 2007 Author Members Posted August 28, 2007 I wish Freeman would pop in here and look at the pics, and give an assesment on the stability, etc. I sent the seller an email this morning about the 3 boxes he taped together and how it has falling out of the box when I got it. Then I wrote that he was elusive in the pictures and that was a major neck repair, not a ding. I mean if I were to resell it, I would show my pictures and state very clearly all I knew about the repair. I mean come on, your selling these type of guitars to guitar players, not some beginner looking for a guitar. I won't leave negative feedback unless it's a very last resort, but hopefully he and I can work something out...I'll keep you all updated if your interested.. John
Members Broadus Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 Well, let's consider this a bit more rationally. First, yes, that horrible neck repair is way more than a ding. But second, let's give the seller a chance. A guy with 100% positive feedback should have an interest in keeping it that way. Contact the seller, explain your feelings calmly, and see how he responds. The one bad thing in his listing is that he doesn't state his policy on returns...unless I missed it. Bear in mind, Ebay won't do squat - especially on someone with 100% feedback. Their new policy is to take action only when feedback falls below 95%.But - contact him and see if he'll take it back before you do anything else. Unless you're so in love with it you want to keep it. Good advice.
Members daklander Posted August 28, 2007 Members Posted August 28, 2007 I would push hard, very hard, for a substantial rebate due to his omission and/or mis-statement of facts as to the repairs done.Hopefully you paid by credit card and can dispute the sale. Oh, as to the repairs, I don't think I'd place a neck strap on it but there is no reason to believe the repairs won't hold and a strap button at the heel will be under the repair.
Members johnkline Posted August 28, 2007 Author Members Posted August 28, 2007 I found out how it was repaired...from the previous seller, he wrote me back. Hello, I used gorrilla glue. I opened the crack slightly and worked it in with a guitar string
Members T.B. Posted August 29, 2007 Members Posted August 29, 2007 I would push hard, very hard, for a substantial rebate due to his omission and/or mis-statement of facts as to the repairs done.Hopefully you paid by credit card and can dispute the sale.Oh, as to the repairs, I don't think I'd place a neck strap on it but there is no reason to believe the repairs won't hold and a strap button at the heel will be under the repair. I agree. I had multiple cracks in the heel of my Yam FG-150. The repairs were damn near flawless, still my lutherie/guitar tech said a strap button wouldn't be wise.
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