Members Etienne Rambert Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 This thread makes the dumb Zager threads look smart. Hey, there are some rational arguments for & against Zager. With HCPP sitting there and all the WDM's circling down that cesspool, I can't see any reason to argue about politics at HCAG. Let the WDM's whine. And if a British citizen doesn't like the 2nd Amendment, he or she should write to PM Gordon Brown and ask him to bring a resolution to the House of Commons, that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution should be repealed. Put it to a vote in Parliament. Let the chips fall where they may. Likewise, US Citizens who don't like that part of the Bill of Rights should address their correspondenceto their elected officials. I personally prefer Westerly & Hoboken Guilds. Although, I have no grudge against Vietnamese hand-mades. I wouldn't spend much money on a high-end Martin. But I might pop the CC on a high-end Gibson if it sounded right. I'm an admirer of lower-priced Martins, notably the 15 and 16 series. But I've never heard a D-18 that could persuade me to pull out my wallet. Also, I've read nothing but rave reviews of Guild Tacoma D-40 BJ's. Don't know what will happen to the Al Dronge's brand name in Hartford. Finally, I want to spend a month or two in Mexico too. And buy a guitarron, eat pork Fajitas and maybe hook up with the Senorita of my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garthman Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 Apparently, the price of oil is high not because of high demand from developing countries (that accounts for only approx $15 of the recent $70 price rise) but because speculators (a lot of whom reside in the USA) are buying up stocks of it to get a higher return on their capital (since the stock market yield is pretty crap). So we poor common folk are paying more for our petrol (and everything else of course) so the rich folk can get richer. Funny old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FlyingPancreas Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 my guitar was very clearly designed by GoD otherwise there is no way possible it would be so shiny and also it is signed by Denny but that is not the divine part it is just a sort of hoodoo that helps me play like jimi hendrix without even touching the strings because there is magic in Denny's nuts but the shiny part is all God I realize that Denny is not God although one time when i was taking the factory tour in Denny's basement there was a big beer puddle on the floor and Denny walked on it and for just a second i thought well maybe but then he ripped one and i thought perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Etienne Rambert Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 I never knew Zagers had such cool-looking headstocks. Goats to u ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 Henry on ebay is planning to hawk some Estebans set up by master luthier Danny Zogar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HankGator Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 Apparently, the price of oil is high not because of high demand from developing countries (that accounts for only approx $15 of the recent $70 price rise) but because speculators (a lot of whom reside in the USA) are buying up stocks of it to get a higher return on their capital (since the stock market yield is pretty crap). So we poor common folk are paying more for our petrol (and everything else of course) so the rich folk can get richer.Funny old world. When you speculate on a commodity (buying futures, not "stocks), you are buying the right to get it a certain price and betting it will be selling for a higher price before then. Speculation that the price will go up when there is no shortage of supply is a sure way to go bankrupt. Supply is what is driving this, not some irrational exhuberance in the commodities market. The market reacts to information about supply, it doesn't push prices irrationally. When Israel rattles sabres at Iran, the price spikes, because that is seen as a possible further interruption in supply. Commodities markets may have very short-term fluctuations based upon flawed interpretations, but those are quickly corrected. It is far more impervious to such things than the stock market is. The only people pushing that theory know nothing about the way markets work, and are trying to find rationalizations that will continue to allow them to oppose increasing supply. I actually hope they're right, because it will mean the price of oil will soon come tumbling down like the price of Tulips in Holland did without anyone having to do anything, and we'll be looking at $1.00 a gallon gasoline again. But, of course, that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members totamus Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 Bush had speech yesterday which delivered the message "drill!". Oil prices dropped $9.00 per barrel immediately. We have the oil here to im,ediately increase supply. Instead of working to solve the problem Congress is playing politics Fire the lot I say: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 How did we live before HankGator arrived to enlighten us on the world as he sees it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 How did we live before HankGator arrived to enlighten us on the world as he sees it? We lived under the tyranny of the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scodiddly Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 We lived under the tyranny of the left. The left is indeed powerful, if it has been able to somehow circumvent the Republican President and Congress to screw things up for us. More likely explanation is that the Republicans screwed it up on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 Bush had speech yesterday which delivered the message "drill!". Oil prices dropped $9.00 per barrel immediately. We have the oil here to im,ediately increase supply. Instead of working to solve the problem Congress is playing politics Fire the lot I say: The problem is we don't have that much oil in America, ANWR has some but it would be detrimental to the environment to drill their and we wouldn't see any benefit for 5-8 years. And even when we got it running we wouldn't see much oil come from it. We just need to quit oil, I mean I think the American people are ready for a change. High oil prices are a great thing for this nation IMO. People are buying high MPG cars and hybrids like crazy. New electric cars are coming out. We need to keep this trend alive. We have already had peak oil, its not going to get any cheaper. (and if you don't believe in peak oil talk to any geologist) I am supporting T Boone Pickens plan to decrease foreign oil consumption. I don't know if he has the best plan out there, but it is the only plan that I have heard. And while I strongly disagree with the mans politics I am very happy that he is doing what he is doing. These are exciting times, if we play our cards right. New clean energies are becoming available. Oil is going to be a thing of the past, new energies will render it obsolete. The middle eastern countries know this. Dubai is building its economy like crazy. They are getting ready for the day when their pumps run dry. To live the pipe dream of cheap oil in the future is futile. Look ahead to a future without coal power plants, thick smog hanging over cities, less congestion on the roads, a booming economy (when we don't have to pay 700 billion a year for oil) The future can be a great one, but only if we all work at it. (I know i said that I wouldn't talk about politics, but this is more science/future talk so I think I am good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sangemon Posted July 16, 2008 Members Share Posted July 16, 2008 This thread is totally off topic for this forum. We don't do politics here. Please take it somewhere else. I'd like to ask the mods to please close this thread now, it contributes nothing to this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 This thread is totally off topic for this forum. We don't do politics here. Please take it somewhere else. I'd like to ask the mods to please close this thread now, it contributes nothing to this forum. Don't be such a Dolly Downer Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HankGator Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 The problem is we don't have that much oil in America, ANWR has some but it would be detrimental to the environment to drill their and we wouldn't see any benefit for 5-8 years. And even when we got it running we wouldn't see much oil come from it.We just need to quit oil, I mean I think the American people are ready for a change. High oil prices are a great thing for this nation IMO. People are buying high MPG cars and hybrids like crazy. New electric cars are coming out. We need to keep this trend alive. We have already had peak oil, its not going to get any cheaper. (and if you don't believe in peak oil talk to any geologist)I am supporting T Boone Pickens plan to decrease foreign oil consumption. I don't know if he has the best plan out there, but it is the only plan that I have heard. And while I strongly disagree with the mans politics I am very happy that he is doing what he is doing.These are exciting times, if we play our cards right. New clean energies are becoming available. Oil is going to be a thing of the past, new energies will render it obsolete. The middle eastern countries know this. Dubai is building its economy like crazy. They are getting ready for the day when their pumps run dry. To live the pipe dream of cheap oil in the future is futile. Look ahead to a future without coal power plants, thick smog hanging over cities, less congestion on the roads, a booming economy (when we don't have to pay 700 billion a year for oil)The future can be a great one, but only if we all work at it. (I know i said that I wouldn't talk about politics, but this is more science/future talk so I think I am good) It would be nice if we could just "quit oil." It would also be nice if we all taught the world to sing in three-part harmony and bought everyone a coke. It's just not going to happen any time soon. Petroleum is used for far more than making gasoline, and it makes fuel for more than just cars. It is a pervasive commodity used in all manner of manufacturing, in both the processes and the products. There's a reason we're not all driving electric cars or hybrids. They don't rate. They're designed small to limit weight because they are underpowered compared to a conventional automobile, generally lack acceleration and speed, feel like a shoebox, and people simply don't like them as much. If I wanted to drive a golf cart, I'd buy a golf cart. There are some nicer hybrids, but they are very expensive and still require gas. At some point, alternative energy sources will power automobiles, but we have to live in the here and now. There is potentially more oil off the coast of California alone than there is in Saudi Arabia. We've merely banned ourselves from touching it. There is well over a billion barrels in the Gulf of Mexico. And ANWR is not some tiny reservoir, but a large reserve we're just letting sit there. Some estimates project the possibilty of 11-13 billion barrels. Most of it, certainly the parts where drilling would occur, is also a Godforsaken frozen tundra, a complete wasteland, uninhabitable by even wildlife for roughly nine months out of the year. Arguments about negative impacts on the environment aren't even properly called speculative. They're simply disingenuous. The fact is, the worst petroleum spill in history, the Exxon-Valdez, would never have happened if it wasn't for environmental restrictions that prevented the use of pipelines and instead required the oil be transported by ship through treacherous straits. Sure, the captain was a drunk, but it was a dangerous passage to make regardless, and it shouldn't have been required. I want independence from "foreign oil," too. But I don't throw the word "foreign" in there when what I really mean is simply "oil." We could be independent from foreign oil in a decade if we really wanted to be. We have plenty of oil here. We just allow opponents of the petroleum industry to block domestic exploration and drilling. I'm all for shutting down this thread, too. But as long as people keep posting, I'll keep responding. Again, I didn't start it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 This thread is totally off topic for this forum.We don't do politics here. Please take it somewhere else. I'd like to ask the mods to please close this thread now, it contributes nothing to this forum. I agree. If I wanted to argue with liberals, I'd go to a political forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hank you need to open your eyes to todays technology. There are a TON of options out there. Here is my favorite, this car runs on air, yes thats right. AIR! its crazy cheap goes over 125 miles on a tank of air, it costs about $5,500 us, and did I mention it runs on AIR! [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Oil is old tech, its bad for the environment and its bad for your pocketbook. Even if we find 1000 trillion kazillion barrels of oil under Delaware it is still not worth pursuing. And of course oil is used to make a lot of things, plastic and asphalt are 2 that come to mind. But the vast majority is used for transportation and energy. Look to the future Hank! I am trying to keep this thread on science and the future as I said that I will refrain from politics. So if you know of any cool science or tech that will provide a better future I think you should post it. Help give everyone some hope in this crappy world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bjorn-fjord Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 I second the suggestion that this kind of {censored} be kept out of HCAG. Please stop, this sucks. There is a specific forum for political issues for a damn good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hank you need to open your eyes to todays technology. There are a TON of options out there. Here is my favorite, this car runs on air, yes thats right. AIR!its crazy cheap goes over 125 miles on a tank of gas, it costs about $5,500 us, and did I mention it runs on AIR! Oil is old tech, its bad for the environment and its bad for your pocketbook. Even if we find 1000 trillion kazillion barrels of oil under Delaware it is still not worth pursuing. And of course oil is used to make a lot of things, plastic and asphalt are 2 that come to mind. But the vast majority is used for transportation and energy. Look to the future Hank! I am trying to keep this thread on science and the future as I said that I will refrain from politics. So if you know of any cool science or tech that will provide a better future I think you should post it. Help give everyone some hope in this crappy world Will it run on hot air? There's plenty of that around here. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HankGator Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 I'm sure Americans will flock to buy a covered skateboard. Not. Researching new technologies is great. Depriving Americans of fuel in the meantime isn't It will take government coercion to make people buy a kiddy-cart that needs recharging every hundred miles and has a top speed of fifty or sixty miles an hour (the attainment of which probably means you have to recharge twice as soon). This is supposed to be a free country. If there's a demand for that kind of car, fine. Don't force it down our throats and dictate that we need to give up our cars and lifestyles because oil is "old tech." If it's "old tech," the market will take care of it, because people will actually want to drive around in compressed-air buggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 I'm sure Americans will flock to buy a covered skateboard. Not. Researching new technologies is great. Depriving Americans of fuel in the meantime isn't It will take government coercion to make people buy a kiddy-cart that needs recharging every hundred miles and has a top speed of fifty or sixty miles an hour (the attainment of which probably means you have to recharge twice as soon). This is supposed to be a free country. If there's a demand for that kind of car, fine. Don't force it down our throats and dictate that we need to give up our cars and lifestyles because oil is "old tech." If it's "old tech," the market will take care of it, because people will actually want to drive around in compressed-air buggy. Geez what is your problem with alternative fuels? You have stocks in Exxon :poke: Me I would buy that car in a heartbeat, I think that a car run by air is the coolest thing ever. Maybe we can even hotrod the air engines. I can't wait in 20 years I will be at Car Quest looking for a hot rod air nozzle or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HankGator Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hydrogen fuel-cell cars show promise. [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Of course, they only run around $300K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlw001 Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Where did the compressed air come from that runs the air car?.....lol....... Every time there's an energy "crisis", all these perpetual motion machines come out of hiding...its hilarious really. Don't want to use oil.....me either..........let's go with electric cars and make a bunch of nuclear power plants to generate all the electricity those cars will use. Don't want nuclear power........hmmmm.... guess its back to oil........ To get hydrogen cars to work you need a fuel cell which uses electricity, which leads back to nuclear power. I am apolitical for the most part, but thermodynamics means I have to be realistic when it comes to the energy "crisis". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Where did the compressed air come from that runs the air car?.....lol....... Every time there's an energy "crisis", all these perpetual motion machines come out of hiding...its hilarious really. Don't want to use oil.....me either..........let's go with electric cars and make a bunch of nuclear power plants to generate all the electricity those cars will use. Don't want nuclear power........hmmmm.... guess its back to oil........ To get hydrogen cars to work you need a fuel cell which uses electricity, which leads back to nuclear power. I am apolitical for the most part, but thermodynamics means I have to be realistic when it comes to the energy "crisis". I have no problem with nuclear. Not the best energy but its better than oil or coal. In Washington we get all our power from the Grand Coulee Dam, so the air compression wont generate any more pollutants. I think it is a cool idea. Plus it doesn't take much energy for a small compressor to fill up a tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HoldingZero Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 I have no problem with nuclear. Not the best energy but its better than oil or coal. In Washington we get all our power from the Grand Coulee Dam, so the air compression wont generate any more pollutants. I think it is a cool idea. Plus it doesn't take much energy for a small compressor to fill up a tank. Are you saying the Grand Coulee Dam is environmentally friendly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crab_Cake Posted July 17, 2008 Members Share Posted July 17, 2008 Are you saying the Grand Coulee Dam is environmentally friendly? For everything except salmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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