Members Matximus Posted October 13, 2012 Members Share Posted October 13, 2012 Yeah... Listen: If you want to make money making music you have to be very, very good at more than just making good music. You have to be good at making money. This upsets a lot of people that are really gifted at making music that don't understand that just being good at something doesn't translate into dollars. There is way more to it than that. It's two different skill sets, being good at music and being good at making money. Nobody gives a {censored} about how good something is. You want people to pay for {censored}? YOU HAVE TO {censored}ING SELL IT. And it's not fair and that's just the way it is. People that are better at selling stuff well do better than people that are good at making stuff well. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pomerlaw Posted October 16, 2012 Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 That's why artists need help from labels, most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rlm297 Posted October 28, 2012 Members Share Posted October 28, 2012 I think there's a different way of looking at this. Maybe musicians and bands should be asking themselves the question:"Would you guys be able to seek out a successful businessman or two in your town and convince them to fund your band on the merit of your image and music, kind of like a sugar daddy?"I think if you can put it that way to young bands, you'd see members jump ship and say, "Nah, that's ok. I'm cool. Sounds like a lot of work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted October 29, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 29, 2012 And yet, that is how many bands survived and succeeded in the LA scene in the late 70/80s...GnR, and several others, although usually sugar mamas...the real trick is how do you propose this to a real business person outside of the industry, how do you demonstrate ROI, quarterly profits, growth, etc., when you are dealing with something as subjective as music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beatpoet Posted November 18, 2012 Members Share Posted November 18, 2012 Even artists who do have a concept of how music can be sold are struggling, take Billy Corgan. Well he's not struggling financially, but the Teargarden project just didn't work, even for someone with his fame and fanbase. The new album Oceania is part of the project though and it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members teleman55 Posted November 25, 2012 Members Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not if they realize this fact and get a good manager, but otherwise, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beatpoet Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 Originally Posted by rlm297 I think there's a different way of looking at this. Maybe musicians and bands should be asking themselves the question: "Would you guys be able to seek out a successful businessman or two in your town and convince them to fund your band on the merit of your image and music, kind of like a sugar daddy?" I think if you can put it that way to young bands, you'd see members jump ship and say, "Nah, that's ok. I'm cool. Sounds like a lot of work." I can relate to that, I was in a band once and someone offered to give us the money to record an album. We sat down, had meetings and everything was going great. When it came to booking the time to record, the rest of the band pulled out. "We're not ready to record an album" they said. I never let them forget what an opportunity they had passed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarville Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 Originally Posted by BlueStrat When most of the world wants to come here, why leave? This is a big place- I could travel it my whole life and not see half of it. Actually for business, much of the world wants to set up business where Nopoli is. If you are a recording artist with a name, I'm sure by now you know that is one of the best places to market yourself. And I'm sure Nopoli will help you out. Things are changing there, money wise and contract wise. Nopoli (not his real name) is an alright guy. You just have to be like him a bit when you are in his line of profession which is to make him and then you money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aj_guitarist Posted December 31, 2012 Members Share Posted December 31, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 The biz today is such that artists have to be businessmen as well, and the two are pretty much mutually-exclusive. That's why record labels existed in first place and why most of those that were started by musicians ended up being total busts. It's also why so many artists got taken advantage of. I suspect that even in the new age of DYI internet bands, the most successful artists are STILL going to be the ones who do the business-aspect of it well. There might very well still be a need for "labels" of some sort to do the business work for the artists. That is 1000% spot on. People who understand the business side (or have a team around them that does) go futher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matthewearly84 Posted January 1, 2013 Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 Originally Posted by aj_guitarist That is 1000% spot on. People who understand the business side (or have a team around them that does) go futher. I think that's the point. The artists don't need to be businessmen, but there needs to be one on their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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