Members Jersey Jack Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 No one has "implied" anything of the sort, and you know it. More of your attempts to vilify and discredit anyone who differs with you. Well, there's this, from you: The need to defend oneself from the government is not as farfetched as you might think, assuming you do think. Look around the world. It happens all the time. The US government is stable now, but who knows what a few more years of liberal influence will do to it. And what about valentsgrif's argument that we should have high-powered weapons because the folks in Warsaw could've have made good use of them in WWII? Doesn't that imply that we may face a similar threat? No, it doesn't lead to Timothy McVeigh and militias, but you also know that. Down the slippery slope huh? Your deceptive giant leap of logic FAILS. Explain this? Fear of the government has degrees, of course, and TMcV/militias are at an extreme, but it's the paranoid view that government is (or will or may be) coming to get me that underlies the urge to stockpile (sorry, let's say collect) high-powered weapons. Is this incorrect? Many of the statements above (including your own) seem to support this idea. I'm simply calling it paranoid, because I believe it is--the case for seeing the federal govenment as a danger to freedom and American values seems overstated to me. I'm using paranoid in a clinical term, as irrational fear, not as simple name-calling. Your definition of a "reasoned argument" is very distorted. You have been shown wrong on numerous occasions, but you choose to attempt to discredit the person disproving your arguments instead of really presenting any real fact. Don't ask me to itemize this. Your post history is pretty conclusive. Sorry, no credit without evidence. If you can't produce an example or two, I can't take this charge seriously. Presentation of ideas and evidence to back them up is the essence of reasoned argument, and this is what I strive to do. Exhibit A for your "demonizing". You try to label anyone who objects to unlimited welfare as a heartless bastard. No, I'm simply asking a question. If one doesn't believe in helping people in need through some kind of redistribution of wealth, one either has to believe that people in need brought this on themselves (e.g., they're lazy) or be unconcerned about human suffering (e.g., tough {censored}, they lost). If there's a third option, explain it to me. But remember that I'm talking here only to people who oppose in principle any redistribution of wealth. Exhibit B for your "demonizing". You try to label anyone who does not support Obama as believing he is a "socialist." Perhaps true. But do note the conditional IF in my sentence. If you don't believe Obama is a socialist, the sentence doesn't apply to you. I for one, see through your smoke screen of discrediting, demonizing, and just plain deception. These are not "reasoned arguments" or "discussions" They are lame attempts at justifying your radical views. Sorry, but I don't recognize myself here. If I'm engaging in demonizing, name-calling, or other stuff, I will apologize and retract. For the record, I'm not that radical. I was wrong, for instance, about Clinton's decision to end welfare as we knew it. In retrospect, I believe he was right. How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Florida_Gator Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Socialism is a noble concept. Like everything though, the devil is in the details. Socialism seems to be particularly susceptible to corruption. Exactly: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -- Margaret Thatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garthman Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Exactly:"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -- Margaret Thatcher "And the problem with capitalism is that you borrow everyone elses money" . . . Garthman http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Paying it all back is going to be tricky, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Florida_Gator Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 "And the problem with capitalism is that you borrow everyone elses money" . . . Garthmanhttp://www.usdebtclock.org/Paying it all back is going to be tricky, huh? Thank you for making my point! (the debt clock shows what happens when the government spends more of my money than they take from me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members totamus Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 "And the problem with capitalism is that you borrow everyone elses money" . . . Garthmanhttp://www.usdebtclock.org/Paying it all back is going to be tricky, huh? Yes indeed. But I would not fault capitalism, as we have been socialist for many years (by my definition, not yours). The foolish borrowing of money is to prop up our socialist entitlements. There can be no good end to this. Mental note: "Get more guns and stockpile food..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 :blah: How's that? You have yet to directly answer a question. You have exaggerated or deliberately misinterpreted any statements in opposition to your views in order to discredit them. You skillfully make tangential comments that deviate from a key point you might be cornered on. And you do all this subtly, of course. So you can piously deny it later. You have dodged and danced around in so many circles that I'm dizzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gull12 Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Guess you haven`t done much hunting..except maybe sheep "down on the farm" lol.. Cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andy thompson Posted September 3, 2010 Members Share Posted September 3, 2010 Cant find the quote about europe in the 20s anyway.. "I missed the 14 -18 warBut not the sorrow afterwardsWith my father deadmy mother ran offmy brothers took the pay of hoods The 20s told an awful tale The hunger march came marching southBut at the garden parties not a word was saidAs ladies lifted cake to their mouths." Joe Strummer ..."Something about England" The Jarrow march Try reading "The road to Wigan pier" by George Orwell But yeah I guess some were dignified and entranced by the roaring 20s. Im not trying to curb any gun laws, dont have a view, just think Id be the wrong kind of person to own one. Jean Charles De Menendez was the Brazilean electrician shot, a week after a bus was blown up in London. The popular gutter press reported that he was running from armed police in the underground, these details have been contested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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