Members BlueStrat Posted April 26, 2012 Members Share Posted April 26, 2012 Interesting take. It IS quite true that until the 20th century--and really just the last few decades of it---nobody ever really got rich from making or even performing music Au contraire. Some of the famous composers of the past were quite well off by the standards of the day, Beethoven and Bach for example. Of course, they were supported by wealthy patrons or the church, but really not all that much different than being subsidized by a label back in the 60s and 70s. They had to produce to keep the cash coming. Beethoven made enough to support 10 kids in a nice home- perhaps not as rich as today's standards, but back then, he would have been among the top 10% of earners, maybe even the 1%. Of course, these guys were the exception, not the rule (much like today), but they did exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted April 26, 2012 Members Share Posted April 26, 2012 People with no intellect can not understand people who earn their living in intellectual property. The not understanding of IP is very likely a genetic defect, it certainly exists since the beginning of humanity, and just because the world changed from Neanderthal to Digithal a few years ago does not change anything. The old wisdom is still true: "Born Stupid. Learned nothing. All forgotten. Died stupid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g.bird84 Posted May 9, 2012 Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 There is never any justification for music piracy, that is someones livelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted May 9, 2012 Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 Au contraire. Some of the famous composers of the past were quite well off by the standards of the day, Beethoven and Bach for example. Of course, they were supported by wealthy patrons or the church, but really not all that much different than being subsidized by a label back in the 60s and 70s. They had to produce to keep the cash coming. Beethoven made enough to support 10 kids in a nice home- perhaps not as rich as today's standards, but back then, he would have been among the top 10% of earners, maybe even the 1%. Of course, these guys were the exception, not the rule (much like today), but they did exist. I think you meant Bach. Beethoven never had kids. And he never was much rich either, because of his deafness, he couldn't perform and tour. He produced incredible work but was paid only one time for each piece of music he made, although he was supported by patrons. Most people know the composer but don't know he was considered the best pianist of his time, until deafness broke his dream of performing all over Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Sheasgree Posted May 9, 2012 Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 Pretty crappy how i can spend literally hundreds or even thousands of hours on an album and people think its worth nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted May 9, 2012 Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think you meant Bach. Beethoven never had kids. And he never was much rich either, because of his deafness, he couldn't perform and tour. He produced incredible work but was paid only one time for each piece of music he made, although he was supported by patrons. Most people know the composer but don't know he was considered the best pianist of his time, until deafness broke his dream of performing all over Europe. Yes, good catch. It's been 35 years since my Music History class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted May 9, 2012 Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 No problem man! I went to Vienna not long ago, and I visited his grave, an old house of his in a small village (Helligenstadt), and a little museum. Great city. There was fresh flowers on his grave put there by people who would come and go with the utmost respect on their faces. I found it pretty moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members m.shaw87 Posted May 16, 2012 Members Share Posted May 16, 2012 It still amazes me how he was able to write such beautiful music whilst deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted May 16, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 16, 2012 he could hear what he wrote on the staff in his head...that's how good he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 18, 2012 Members Share Posted May 18, 2012 I am of the same opinion as the bishop at the end of this scene, more or less [video=youtube;bifQXdm1BUg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bifQXdm1BUg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 18, 2012 Members Share Posted May 18, 2012 he could hear what he wrote on the staff in his head...that's how good he was! very likely he also heard it when we didn't wrote anything to paper, that's how composers are, nothing unusual, and since you all know how this music was made back then, you all can write his 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted May 18, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2012 very likely he also heard it when we didn't wrote anything to paper, that's how composers are, nothing unusual, and since you all know how this music was made back then, you all can write his 10th. actually, a gifted composer such as he, with 'perfect pitch', could certainly know what the tones were as he envisioned/conceived/audio-imagined them; not unlike having a tune 'stuck in one's head', but with the ability to translate it to paper. The man was a genius, after all...no one will ever know exactly what he was absolutely capable of, or what was going on in his skull. I stumble on pieces of his work in my meanderings, and immediately recognize them as his...especially the 6th ( ) 7th and 9th..and ...the 3rd...another personal favorite yeah, who would have thought a' blues shouter' like me was into the classical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 18, 2012 Members Share Posted May 18, 2012 and what about the other ten thousand composers, do you also recognize them when you hear a work, or only LvB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted May 18, 2012 Members Share Posted May 18, 2012 Pat Metheney is another guy who can write out an entire composition sitting on a plane, take it to rehearsal, put it in front of the band and they play it. In one interview I read, he first did that when he was 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted May 18, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2012 and what about the other ten thousand composers, do you also recognize them when you hear a work, or only LvB?not all, certainly... a few I am fairly 'fond' of Chopin, J.S. Bach, Prokofiev... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carlos.S Posted May 23, 2012 Members Share Posted May 23, 2012 Pat Metheney is another guy who can write out an entire composition sitting on a plane, take it to rehearsal, put it in front of the band and they play it. In one interview I read, he first did that when he was 18. That is sheer talent and trust in his band members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carlos.S Posted May 30, 2012 Members Share Posted May 30, 2012 How ironic that he could write and create masterpieces despite being deaf, yet many of today's songwriters have 2 healthy ears and yet cannot write for {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted May 30, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2012 there is a huge difference between a composer, and a songwriter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 30, 2012 Members Share Posted May 30, 2012 there is a huge difference between a composer, and a songwriter... that's something I can not communicate with pop artists, or they don't love me anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tgrimley Posted June 6, 2012 Members Share Posted June 6, 2012 there is a huge difference between a composer, and a songwriter... That may very well be true, however talent is talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted June 6, 2012 Members Share Posted June 6, 2012 That may very well be true, however talent is talent. the difference between a composer and a songwriter is about the same as the difference between a chess player and a Schnipp Schnapp player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeverTheMachine Posted June 6, 2012 Members Share Posted June 6, 2012 the difference between a composer and a songwriter is about the same as the difference between a chess player and a Schnipp Schnapp player Depends on the definition you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted June 6, 2012 Members Share Posted June 6, 2012 Depends on the definition you're using. Chess - Schnipp Schnapp Schubert - Bob Dylan Haydn - Electric Light orchestra Mozart - The Beatles Mahler - beach Boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted June 6, 2012 Moderators Share Posted June 6, 2012 that's something I can not communicate with pop artists, or they don't love me anymore why bother trying to communicate with 'pop artists' at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 why bother trying to communicate with 'pop artists' at all? I own a record company as well produce pop, it would be too strange when I would not talk with the people I work with, wouldn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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