Members A. Einstein Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 forget computers, a mixer is the last arranger of a song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 The real reason is that all the people running studios didn't learn in a school, so they instantly act negatively towards people with deeper underlying technical understanding doing things "properly" instead of "the way we've always done it..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 Well, some people mix all the thousands of songs released every month, I start to wonder who those people all are worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carlos.S Posted October 25, 2011 Members Share Posted October 25, 2011 There's no such thing as a "sure bet" in terms of a college degree, but as more and more of the non-professional jobs get sent overseas, it becomes more and more important to have high level skills. Moving forward, I think you need the following:1. Creativity2. Ability to solve real world problems3. Ability to work with other people4. Very high level of technological ability (ie skilled on a computer or any other device)I think Video Game Designer is the new Rock Star. Sooo many kids want to do it, but very few will end up with a career in it. Just like music, though, it is possible to do it your own way. There's money to be made in writing for the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch/Android market. Write a kick ass app and you can make some money. There's a kid who wrote a game that temporarily knocked Angry Birds out of the number one slot. It can be done.But the difference between writing a hit app for the iPhone and writing a hit song is that it's very difficult to pirate a hit app and it's very easy to pirate a hit song. Apple figured it out. They make the hardware, they run the store, they create the rules for the software. I'm an iPhone developer (my side business is) and Apple has everything locked down. Your app can only play in its own sandbox - it literally can't do anything else. Apple takes 30% of your sales, which is a lot... but it's the only iPhone store in town. You don't hear anyone bitching about "DRM" on an iPhone application. And developers are flocking to the platform like mad. That and Android. So they've created an awesome platform where piracy is not an issue, where all sales come from a single spot, and where the small software developer can sell stuff right next to Microsoft. As for audio recording? Too narrow a field with too few jobs. Audio/Video in general is a better bet - The more varied your talents the better.The future will belong to the kids who are creative, really good with a computer, and can solve problems. Oh, and work well with others. I think you pretty much nailed it. Music is not a good place to be at the moment, however apps seems to be the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 26, 2011 Members Share Posted October 26, 2011 The real thing with music is to produce a product people will buy, and having the ability to sell it. Otherwise there is no income. Everything else forumite post is dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tgrimley Posted October 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted October 26, 2011 I don't think there is much income, full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fatusstratus Posted October 26, 2011 Members Share Posted October 26, 2011 Well yes, just as some people still major in sociology, philosophy or "gender studies." Hard to bitch about graduating with a bunch of debt and not being able to get a job afterward, though. I think that's one thing about some of the current lawsuits for different trade schools and stuff. The plaintiffs are saying that the employment potential got misrepresented. NY Law School and Cooley Law School are both getting sued because of that. Which I think is kind of like a locksmithing school getting broken into. but like BS (oooh, that didn't come out right) was saying...if the students are actually aware of the odds and their advisers were honest, then that's a different deal from what the people in the lawsuits are dealing with. That can be the problem with just throwing all in and "living the dream" without much forethought . In a lot of dreams, gravity is a lot less harsh. In dreams, women find my attractive In dreams.. gmsrO8xpe-w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Hulnick Posted October 27, 2011 Members Share Posted October 27, 2011 Students are made aware of the current situation as far as the recording industry is concerned. If they sign up and then don't find a job (or the job that they want that's down to them) Unfortunately, that doesn't stop them from trying. Or blaming the school if they don't get what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted October 27, 2011 Members Share Posted October 27, 2011 My son graduated from college a year and a half ago with s Bachelor of Science degree, emphasis on pre-med. He went to an expensive private college at 34k a year and has some student loan debt that he intends to repay once he's a doctor (he just got accepted to a med school in Cal. but is interviewing in Chicago and Philadephia this week to see if he likes them better). One of the guys in his dorm when he was a freshman was bitching and moaning last week because he also graduated from the same school with a degree and can't find a job. His major? "Peace Studies.":facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted October 27, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2011 He should go join the Peace Corps and do a few years overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 28, 2011 Members Share Posted October 28, 2011 He should go join the Peace Corps and do a few years overseas. volunteer for Afghanistan is better if you play death metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinC Posted October 28, 2011 Members Share Posted October 28, 2011 I met a guy 25 years ago who had a small studio-he was recording bands, writing music, etc. Pretty modest setup, but he was always learning, upgrading his gear, moving into the new stuff as it came along. He worked with good people. One of his guys recorded some of my music on 2", then a few years later ADATS, then later still protools. That engineer is a full time composer now. The guy who owned the studio now has a recording school backed by a major university, as well as the studio, His production dept. works on major projects including big time video game music, commercial music, etc. The guy is very successful. What I think it means is that there is still an industry, but like every other business, it takes determination, will, and staying power to succeed. I don't know if he went to a school or not, but it doesn't matter. What got him where he is today is all the stuff he did over the last 25, not what he did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 29, 2011 Members Share Posted October 29, 2011 For privat studio owners, recording and mixing often does not create a sufficient and regular income. I pay average $5000 for getting a song mixed, that's a good day for the mixer, but what does he do the rest of the week when he has no commision. We don't pay higher studio rates for recording well known artists, the rates are the same as for any other clients. In the digital age it is still the same as in the old days, on the production side only the composer and the producer makes a substantial income, and on the marketing side the owners of the distribution, all other people work on a salary at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 29, 2011 Members Share Posted October 29, 2011 As for audio professionals working for tv stations, new agencies and video production companies, there are of course thousands of jobs worldwide. If you think locally, that's another thing, you may get a job, if not you look around globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The 615 Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 Students are made aware of the current situation as far as the recording industry is concerned. If they sign up and then don't find a job (or the job that they want that's down to them) Unfortunately, that doesn't stop them from trying. Or blaming the school if they don't get what they wanted. This is a bold faced lie! I was told that they school had tons of contacts and finding a gig would be no problem because they had a great job placement record. The gigs I did were all because of me and my connections not the schools. The school basically did little to nothing after graduation. It was a waste of money. The people I met in the industry said the degree was a waste and not needed. I already had experience running live sound so I was able to get my foot in the door in spite of the school. Sound schools are a waste of money PERIOD! You can get your foot in the door with determination and hard work. Dont be afraid to use a broom. Most companies will teach a hard worker what they need them to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 For privat studio owners, recording and mixing often does not create a sufficient and regular income. I pay average $5000 for getting a song mixed, that's a good day for the mixer, but what does he do the rest of the week when he has no commision. We don't pay higher studio rates for recording well known artists, the rates are the same as for any other clients.In the digital age it is still the same as in the old days, on the production side only the composer and the producer makes a substantial income, and on the marketing side the owners of the distribution, all other people work on a salary at best. Any studio engineer who can't live on 5k a week needs to move out of the Ritz Carlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 Any studio engineer who can't live on 5k a week needs to move out of the Ritz Carlton. what do you mean "a week" - one mix is done in a day, in a week an album gets mixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 what do you mean "a week" - one mix is done in a day, in a week an album gets mixed Um...you're the one who said " but what does he do the rest of the week when he has no commision. "That's what I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 Um...you're the one who said " but what does he do the rest of the week when he has no commision. "That's what I was referring to. that was about the mixers who don't mix for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted October 31, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 31, 2011 that was about the mixers who don't mix for us apparently you didn't read what you posted...it certainly did come across that you were speaking about a specific single individual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 I typed it singular, maybee because "a mixer" are all mixers, but no, there isn't only on mixer mixing, rather around twenty of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 3shiftgtr Posted November 1, 2011 Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 As for audio professionals working for tv stations, new agencies and video production companies, there are of course thousands of jobs worldwide. If you think locally, that's another thing, you may get a job, if not you look around globally. Right...book a flight across the Atlantic to interview for a below living wage job. "Hey, I'll find a room mate!":facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g.bird84 Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 Honestly, who the f#ck chooses to major in Peace Studies?Dick wad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have a friend doing a PhD in War, what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tgrimley Posted November 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 5, 2011 I have a friend doing a PhD in War, what's the problem? What field of work does your friend work in? To me a PhD in war seems more relevant than peace studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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