Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 How do i record a cymbal with rivets and JUST record the sizzle or rivets ? I like just the White noise of the rivets i want to record but not the cymbal sound how would i seperate it electronical When i hit the cymbal with rivets in the microphone i get the attack from the cymbal sounds plus the rivets . Im trying to narrow it down to getting just the rivets sizzling My goal is: I want to put reverb on the rivets sizzling but have the cymbal sound dry not wet just the rivets and sizzles will be wet and have reverb how do i do this? Will a compressor with a eq in the side chain do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kiwiburger Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Quite tricky, but glad you asked. First of all you need an anti-gravity simulation chamber, and a partical accelerator. Set up your cymbal and mic in the anti-gravity chamber. Strike the cymbal, and then dematerialise just the cymbal by bombarding it with anti-matter from the partical accelerator. This leaves just the rivets vibrating in free space - which I believe is the sound you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Is there another way? How can i seperate the frequencys maybe because the rivets are like white noise and i would like to pass the rivets through but not the cymbals frequencys some how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I'm trying to get the Rivet white noise sizzle sound more in FRONT and the cymbal sound in the background so when im recording the rivet cymbal i get more of the sizzling sound in front and the cymbal sound will be in the background how do i do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bjorked Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 have you tried hitting the cybal with one of those "rods" as opposed to a stick? That combined with proper microphone placement should yield a decent result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 What "rods"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kiwiburger Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 The rods for the nuclear reactor that supplies the power for the particle accelerator. Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mick8569 Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Kiwiburger The rods for the nuclear reactor that supplies the power for the particle accelerator. Silly. your really in a helpful mood arent you kiwi:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 The sizzle cymbals are 2 instruments in one #1 is the cymbal sound #2 is the sizzling from the rivets How do i record a sizzle cymbal to get alot of white noise sizzling good with some reverb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythminmind Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 as a drummer i think i got this one.... if this is just for sampling .this isn't rocket science.... mic it up, and just give it a medium hit with the side of your fist on top of the cymbal... the only attack noise you would get would be a low frequency thud that a highpass would easily cure.. and if you want even less cymbal noise tape the hell out of the cymbal to dampen it so just the rivets will be bouncing away.. if you want to just bring out the sizzle, duplicate the track use a highpass until most of the cymbal crash is gone then mix the sizzle track with the other with as wet as you like.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Thanks less cymbal noise tape the hell out of the cymbal to dampen it so just the rivits will be bouncing away..rivets I think this might work to tape the cymbal to dampen it just to get the rivit sounds nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 THanks again if you want to just bring out the sizzle, duplicate the track use a highpass until most of the cymbal crash is gone then then mix the sizzle track with the other with all the verb you like.. This is it also the Trick is to "Duplicate the track" and i can focus on the "sizzling track" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bjorked Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Walters9515 What "rods"? they are called "hot rods." they aren't as hard as sticks - I believe it's a bundle on bamboo dowels or something of that nature. If you remember the old nirvana unplugged I think dave grohl used them. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kiwiburger Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 I know Walters is a joker who isn't really asking real questions, but pretending he isn't for one moment ... why has nobody just suggested finding the sizzel of the rivets with an eq? Or are you all just playing with him too? The sound of the rivets would be very different if you damped the cymbal. You can't really seperate the two. This is a typical Walters question. It appears to be really dumb, but also seems to be engineered to take the piss out of audio engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 The sound of the rivets would be very different if you damped the cymbal. You can't really seperate the two. How do i Seperate the two? with eq? or gating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members geek_usa Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 Originally posted by Kiwiburger The rods for the nuclear reactor that supplies the power for the particle accelerator. Silly. Yeah, I mean it's common knowledge. Everyone should know that! Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members geek_usa Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 Originally posted by Walters9515 How do i Seperate the two? with eq? or gating? Let me re-emphasize Kiwi's post. Originally posted by Kiwiburger You can't really seperate the two. Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 How do i Seperate the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kylen Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 I just think you need impulses of the individual objects so you can plug it all into a convolution reverb like sir or pristine space. It might be a little tricky micing the rivet and not the cymbol but I'm sure it can be done by someone with enough interest. The more interesting idea is micing the band with a cool sound, cool material, cool vibe - who just happen to have a drummer with rivets in their cymbols - close micing it you will certainly get a lot more than sizzle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 a little tricky micing the rivet and not the cymbol Yes how do i do this would a Vocoder carrier signal "Cancel"out the cymbal sound and the rivets can go through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kylen Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 Originally posted by Walters9515 a little tricky micing the rivet and not the cymbol... This would take isolation to new depths! nano-isolation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 How can i "isolation" the rivet white noise sizzling sound from the cymbal sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members geek_usa Posted September 17, 2005 Members Share Posted September 17, 2005 Originally posted by Walters9515 How do i Seperate the two? You can stop screwing around, Walters. We all know your little secret. Take your trolling back to some other board because we aren't going to take it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Originally posted by Walters9515 Thanks less cymbal noise tape the hell out of the cymbal to dampen it so just the rivits will be bouncing away..rivetsI think this might work to tape the cymbal to dampen it just to get the rivit sounds nice Yes, but if you damp the cymbal, you'll also change the character and tone of the rivet sizzle... The cymbal hit is part of the sound... and IMO, should normally be treated as such. You could possibly chop off the first few ms of the attack, which will diminish the amount of the crash from the cymbal you'll hear, then just use the rivet sizzle, but there's still going to be some of the actual cymbal sustain... damping the cymbal (tape, foam, etc) will reduce that, but again, will also have an effect on the tone of the metal rivets hitting the cymbal body... that might give you what you're after, so by all means feel free to experiment with that. You might also try the "hit it with the hel of your hand" suggestion (like a karate chop), or try a soft yarn mallet strike (or soft roll) to reduce the initial cymbal attack... But again, the cymbal itself is part of that overall sound, and IMO, you're not going to be able to seperate them completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walters9515 Posted September 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 18, 2005 Thanks Phil for the positive feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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