Members Matt Hepworth Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06/Content/Digidesign/PR/Music-Production-Toolkit.html Sign me up. 48 mono OR stereo tracksBeat Detective MultitrackSound ReplacerSmack LEHybridVersion 7.1 updateDINR LETL Space $495 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Well, this changes everything now doesn't it? Doesn't say, but I'm assuming it doesn't expand Le's input limit beyond 18 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IsildursBane Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Is the link not working for anybody else? -Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EngineGuitarist Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 yeah the link is messed up. its on digi's site too tho. I doubt they'll increase the number of inputs, if they do increase it i bet it'll be on a shiny new interface but i doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aliengroover Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Interesting that they say that 7.1 allows for both LE and M-Powered to run on the same computer allowing you to "easily switch between Digidesign and M-Audio interfaces to suit your changing needs". Hmmm. While I'll likely be getting it, I think they need to offer a track count-only upgrade. The package for the Hybrid, TL and multi-track BD, with the 48 mono/stereo voices, is pretty enticing, but the other stuff, many have or don't want/need. Unless they change it and make it customizable, it's an odd move. What would be cool is if Upgrade Plus (and even the standard upgrade) buyers got a nice little discount. Right now it's just rumors, hope, and speculation, though.Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 One thing to consider is having the power to use this. While we all would like higher track counts, this is still a host processor based app, and while the new intelmacs might have the gas to run 48 tracks with good plugin count, those of us still on modest windows machines, G-4's or even some G-5's won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 My new AMD dual core machine should hang with it with no problems. If I can get it today at the show, I will. Stay tuned. Big news indeed. Now all we need is increased I/O capability, and editable MIDI notation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredfit Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Of course, an AMD w/the right mboard, machine could run 48 with no sweat.... Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matt Hepworth Posted January 20, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Harmony-central's having issues with their site. The link is and was correct. Nick, I routinely run 60+ tracks on projects I work on with plenty of plug-ins - 48 will not be any trick for my PC. The horsepower days are pretty much gone. I use: Windows XPAthlon 64 3200+1 Gig Corsair TwinX Rametc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Nick, I routinely run 60+ tracks on projects With PTle? Sure would like to know how you manage that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredfit Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Phil, ya beat me to it... by three min... There must be a time difference in our locations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted January 20, 2006 Moderators Share Posted January 20, 2006 Originally posted by where02190 With PTle? Sure would like to know how you manage that... I think it's clear Matt is saying he can run 60+ tracks in another app, so the increase in LE should not be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LIMiT Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hey Guys, did Digi mention any 'reduced' upgrades for recent upgraders to 7?.... I'm really only interested in the increased track count, and Beat Detective... -LIMiT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matt Hepworth Posted January 20, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 Originally posted by where02190 With PTle? Sure would like to know how you manage that... Obviously not with PT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Originally posted by shredfit Of course, an AMD w/the right mboard, machine could run 48 with no sweat.... Doh! Well, on the original Davec test, with my new system (AMD Athlon 64 4200 X2, Asus A8N-SLi Premium, 2 GB RAM, etc.), I "maxed it out" using PT LE 7.0 - 32 tracks, 128 aux returns, each with 5 plug ins inserted, with about 20% of the CPU power still remaining. I'd say that as long as my 7,200 RPM, 8mb cache P-ATA HDD's can hang with the increased track counts, my system is going to do fine with it... and if the HDD's do become an issue (unlikely, but possible), I can always go to SATA drives, which should handle 48 tracks just fine. IMO, this was a very good move on Digidesign's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Watershed Posted January 20, 2006 Members Share Posted January 20, 2006 I'm afraid at $662 Aussie it's not an option for me.Considdering that my computer wouldn't handle it, and I have only ever had one session hit 30 tracks, it's just not worth the money for me. .... OTOH, if it included ADC, I'd be ordering right now! .... I'll hang off for a bit. I doubt it's going to get more expensive if I wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Red Winger Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by LIMiT Hey Guys,did Digi mention any 'reduced' upgrades for recent upgraders to 7?....I'm really only interested in the increased track count, and Beat Detective...-LIMiT I read somewhere (I believe it was the press release on HC's site) that says recent purchasers of PTLE7 would have a special offer (presumably a discount for what you already paid) that would be announced soon (i.e., monitor Digi's website for details). --Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BLAblablah Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 On one hand I'm excited about this. But on the other...$495.00? Jeeez! It just never stops! I'm pretty sure that next NAMM, the new hardware interface will be out...with the 16+ digital io's. Guess I'll throw some more stuff on eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seaneldon Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Any new stuff with HD that doesn't involve the Venue console? We're moving over to HD3 (with a Tonelux console for front end, haha!) in February so I'd like to know if it'd be worth it to wait a couple extra weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Red Winger I read somewhere (I believe it was the press release on HC's site) that says recent purchasers of PTLE7 would have a special offer (presumably a discount for what you already paid) that would be announced soon (i.e., monitor Digi's website for details). --Mark Correct Mark, I've seen / heard that too, but I don't have the details on what that will entail yet. I spoke with a couple of Digi reps today, but it was chaos at the Digi booth, as usual. I should know more when talk to them this week. Eugene said he probably wants me to review it for EQ, so I may get a jump on everyone else insofar as seeing it in action... but I CAN tell you that NAMM means "Not Available, Maybe March". IOW, it's not available yet, and Digi tells me that they're targeting the rollout for March. Again, I should know a bit more later this week, if not tomorrow. I did pick up the new free synth plug in, so I can give that a try and let you know what I think - again, probably not until later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matt Hepworth Posted January 21, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Guys! $495 is not that much to pay for a perfectly acceptable number of tracks, SOUND REPLACER, DINR, SMACK, and MULTITRACK BEAT DETECTIVE! The gap between LE and TDM has been closed significantly. Reading between the lines, I'd say TDM is losing a fair amount of ground for Digi to justify what they're doing. We've even got all the Oxford plugs coming out in RTAS now. Native. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Matt Hepworth Guys! $495 is not that much to pay for a perfectly acceptable number of tracks, SOUND REPLACER, DINR, SMACK, and MULTITRACK BEAT DETECTIVE! I guess that's subjective, but I agree with you Matt. And while I honestly don't know what they have in mind insofar as discounts for current PT LE 7 owners, even if they only knock a hundred bucks off it (to compensate for the cost of the 6.9 to 7.0 update we just purchased), and even taking into account the included plug ins that we may already have from our 7.0 upgrades (I selected Smack and Synchronic, and I already own SoundReplacer), a net price of $400 isn't really that outrageous IMO. I'll get DINR and multitrack BD, and more tracks. At least they made the option available - remember, up until now, 48 tracks on LE wasn't even available as an option without buying two hardware units and running two computers and synching them up. The gap between LE and TDM has been closed significantly. For some people. However, even with new dual processor / dual core, high-horsepowered computers, there are still some signfiicant advantages to HD. With 7.0, RTAS on HD systems has been significantly improved, and they can finally use RTAS with fewer restrictions, so they essentially get LE's RTAS capabilities and plug in counts (on a fast computer), along with the HD horsepower - and more horsepower is still more horsepower. Tracking latency is really a non-issue with TDM systems. Additionally, there are definitely better converters with the HD line, as well as significant I/O options and also I/O expandability beyond the LE 18 analog / digital I/O limit. And a LOT more tracks than a 48 track limit to boot. Reading between the lines, I'd say TDM is losing a fair amount of ground for Digi to justify what they're doing. That may be possible - I honestly don't know... but I have heard that LE systems far outsell TDM systems in terms of raw number of units shipped, which should really be no surprise. As far as percentage of corporate profits, I'm sure that's a closely guarded corporate secret, and I can respect that... but again, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that they make a significant percentage of their income off LE systems, and I don't think that it would be in their best interests to allow those sales to slip... which means "incentive to keep the new features and capabilities coming". We've even got all the Oxford plugs coming out in RTAS now. Native. Yes, but wasn't that Sony's decision, and not really Digidesign's? I know they originally didn't want to release RTAS versions because they were concerned about piracy... heck, maybe they still are... but maybe now they feel they've recouped enough off the TDM version to make an RTAS version release an attractive business proposition for them. All of which is pure conjecture / WAG on my part. If you know the specifics, please share if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aliengroover Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Matt Hepworth Guys! $495 is not that much to pay for a perfectly acceptable number of tracks, SOUND REPLACER, DINR, SMACK, and MULTITRACK BEAT DETECTIVE!The gap between LE and TDM has been closed significantly. Reading between the lines, I'd say TDM is losing a fair amount of ground for Digi to justify what they're doing. We've even got all the Oxford plugs coming out in RTAS now. Native. The Oxford plugs have been out for PTLE for quite some time now. Maybe at least a year or two. I think what it is is that they're offering all six in a bundle. Before, they were available in a few different "trios". Trio A had/has Inflator, EQ, and Dynamics, so if you wanted, say, the Reverb, you had to shell out for that, and individually they go for $3-400 (the Trio is just south of $700). I think I saw the "six pack" priced at just under $1100, which is great. I'm glad that the discount is confirmed. That knocks a little off the load. I'm in the camp that thinks the price is really subjective (I think I'm lumped into the "complainers" camp about this over on the DUC). All I'm saying is, the entire package is a steal. A bonafide steal. But is it a steal when all you want or need is the extra tracks? Albeit it adds stereo voices, which is big, it's still only 16 extra tracks. IMHO, I don't think that alone is worth $495. However, in my case, I just want Hybrid, TL, and the tracks, and I think that's well worth the cost. YMMV.Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EngineGuitarist Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 $495 is not that much for all of this. i agree tho that if you have most of it already it really sucks. really sucks. two weeks ago sound replacer was $400 and an upgrade to 7 was $100 which is basically the same price as now except you get much more. I'm still running 6.4 because its been solid, but this is very enticing to me. did i mention i hate upgrading...such a pita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PKO Posted January 23, 2006 Members Share Posted January 23, 2006 HA,HA,HA.........Digidesign are just bending you Pro tools guy over again and giving it to you in the ass. I'm so glad I left PT and went to Cubase SX3.I've got unlimited tracks,better midi,better everything!!!! Stable as can be also. Just keep sending your $$$ to Digidesign. $495...............HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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