Members littledog Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by where02190 You've already lost that bet, I and a couple drummer friends tried it, not one of us felt comfortable with mics that close, and the image they captured was not even remotely a full picture of the kit. Glad it works for you, but is certainly doesn't work for any drummer I've even worked with, and I'm not putting my mics that close to any drummer or kit. At 2 sticks, or even 3, no cardiod sees the entire kit unless the kit is only kick and snare, the pattern isn't wide enough at that distance. The bet was if i set them up, not you. Hard to imagine you're not doing something different than the rest of us, since so many engineers find this a very useful method, and you find it totally useless. Since I would never imply you are not a good engineer (and that is serious, no sarcasm intended), there must be some other reason why what works for us is total crap for you. Anyway, you're welcome to drop in any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarPLayer61990 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 5, 2006 I did it this past weekend, and I used about 40 inches or so. Didn't hit the drummer at all, and got an amazing image of the kit. The kid sounded fine with only overheads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted July 5, 2006 Members Share Posted July 5, 2006 Two sticks is two sticks no matter who is setting them up. Two sticks is about 28 inches. Using the same mics, an X-Y 8 feet over the kit is going to see a much bigger picture and yield a wider image than two mics 1/3 that distance from the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members littledog Posted July 5, 2006 Members Share Posted July 5, 2006 It is called the "two stick" method, by Recorderman's own admission, not because you have to use that distance, but because it is a handy measurement. I use 34"-36" generally. Others here have stated that they too usually use a somewhat longer distance. The principle of phase coherency is what makes the method - not the particular distance. I thought that was understood after all this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Weatherbox Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 I used a modified version of it today with 4047s (cardioid) and I can say yeah, it sounds friggin great. I used more than 2 sticks... maybe 2.67 - 2.803 sticks. Didn't really get too scientific, it's rock'n'roll after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members littledog Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Sssshhhhhh!!! Don't let Where hear you....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Originally posted by littledog Sssshhhhhh!!! Don't let Where hear you....! Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarPLayer61990 Posted July 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hey (where), I was a little iffy on it, so I tried it but raised the mics about 40 inches or so. The drummer was about 5' 10" so he had some room above him. It worked out great and gave an AWESOME stereo image to the point where I only needed a little kick and snare just as re-inforcement (if you will). Granted, I'm 16, so I don't know any other methods or anything, but for me, It worked really well (and I'm pretty anal about how things sound). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 40" above the snare is definitely a more reasonable, logical and safe height, above the cymbals and "seeing" the entire kit in the pattern of most cardiod condensors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members littledog Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 I tend to go 34"-36", because that's what I find works best in my particular room with only 8 1/2 foot ceilings. No reason why other rooms wouldn't have different ideal numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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