Members batotman Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD His opinion is that of a snob, Batboy.. He thinks his Gibson, being a nitro finish and sooooooooooooo expensive, is the be all end all of quality guitars. And yet the American Deluxe Strat he is selling and American Deluxe Tele he just bought are both thick plasticy poly..... I hate Nitro. Sticky ass crap. If I wanted my guitar finished in glue I'd pour Elmer's on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 This is what i think of this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members batotman Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by BillyCorgan This is what i think of this debate. So are you "officially" out of the closet yet? Because I know this guy named Steve who'd love to make a good wife out of you and is also in love with Billy Corgan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by batotman So are you "officially" out of the closet yet? Because I know this guy named Steve who'd love to make a good wife out of you and is also in love with Billy Corgan! I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members batotman Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by BillyCorgan I Well then, I'll PM you Steve's number when I find it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by batotman Well then, I'll PM you Steve's number when I find it! Nooo. I have a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members batotman Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by BillyCorgan Nooo. I have a woman. Bi? I guess if that works for ya! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by batotman Bi? I guess if that works for ya! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD His opinion is that of a snob, Batboy.. He thinks his Gibson, being a nitro finish and sooooooooooooo expensive, is the be all end all of quality guitars. My opinion is this... Any tonal nuance lost by applying a poly finish can be restored with a properly used eq pedal. Changing the tubes or speaker in your amp or the pickups in the guitar does LOADS more to the tone of a guitar than the finish ever could. If you wanna argue that sustain is lost, I'll stand my poly dipped SZ520 up against anything anyone has got and see who's note dies first. That thing rings for days. sorry, but you are clueless There are tons of old nitro Gibsons and strats that have proven you wrong many times over..... sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by Dr. Tweedbucket sorry, but you are clueless There are tons of old nitro Gibsons and strats that have proven you wrong many times over..... sorry. It's pretty funny that my Poly Singlecut killed my Nitro Les Pauls (3 of them) though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by batotman And yet the American Deluxe Strat he is selling and American Deluxe Tele he just bought are both thick plasticy poly..... I hate Nitro. Sticky ass crap. If I wanted my guitar finished in glue I'd pour Elmer's on it! Poly is the sticky ass crap. Maybe you should wash your hands now and then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by Dr. Tweedbucket Poly is the sticky ass crap. Maybe you should wash your hands now and then! I've never had a problem sticking to the guitar. It's really smooth actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members batotman Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by Dr. Tweedbucket Poly is the sticky ass crap. Maybe you should wash your hands now and then! 66 guitars later and the only guitar I've had an issue with stickiness was a Gibson Les Paul Standard LE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members BillyCorgan Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by batotman 66 guitars later and the only guitar I've had an issue with stickiness was a Gibson Les Paul Standard LE! I had that problem with my '91 Standard.It wasn't too bad but it can slow you down a little. The rest of my Gibsons were ok compared to that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheToneGestapo Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Oil paint > acrylic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaulSter Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by tim gueguen People need to stop worrying about this non-issue. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by Dr. Tweedbucket sorry, but you are clueless There are tons of old nitro Gibsons and strats that have proven you wrong many times over..... sorry. So you think the only think making those old Gibsons and strats better than today's gear is the finish? Wow, talk about clueless... I'm NOT sorry, cuz the truth will set you free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members angus_old Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD So you think the only think making those old Gibsons and strats better than today's gear is the finish? Wow, talk about clueless... I'm NOT sorry, cuz the truth will set you free... it's not any one thing, it's a lot of little things that add up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD So you think the only think making those old Gibsons and strats better than today's gear is the finish? Wow, talk about clueless... I'm NOT sorry, cuz the truth will set you free... I didn't say the only think, now did I ? .... it ain't worth getting ruffled up over ..... enjoy your plastic guitar and I'll enjoy my wooden one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 exactly, and the finish is the least of the factors that give an old guitar that elusive "mojo" we all want. Now if we were talking old violins or acoustic guitars, I'd agree that the finish does indeed play a major part in the tonal voice of the instrument. But not on an electric guitar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD exactly, and the finish is the least of the factors that give an old guitar that elusive "mojo" we all want. Now if we were talking old violins or acoustic guitars, I'd agree that the finish does indeed play a major part in the tonal voice of the instrument. But not on an electric guitar.. If you ever refinished a guitar and had to strip that thick plasticy crap off, you would never EVER want to recoat it with the same stuff again ( I am talking mainly of the poly finish Fender uses ) .....and yes, nitro does make a difference in tone solid body guitars....... ..... whether you have a good ear for tone or not, I can't say ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 My ear is just fine, thanks. I've played enough guitars over the years to realize that the finish doesn't make a tremendous difference in the tone. It does sound different, but different doesn't always mean bad OR good. No paint is going to take an otherwise excellent guitar and make it into crap, and vice versa.. Nitro finishes are not the source of mojo on vintage guitars. Yes, only a nitro finish will wear to give you the SRV effect on a guitar, but some people don't care about that. I'd rather have a '57 strat in pristine mint condition than one that looks like someone hit it with a belt sander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted May 15, 2006 Members Share Posted May 15, 2006 Originally posted by RaVenCAD My ear is just fine, thanks. I've played enough guitars over the years to realize that the finish doesn't make a tremendous difference in the tone. It does sound different, but different doesn't always mean bad OR good. No paint is going to take an otherwise excellent guitar and make it into crap, and vice versa.. Nitro finishes are not the source of mojo on vintage guitars. Yes, only a nitro finish will wear to give you the SRV effect on a guitar, but some people don't care about that. I'd rather have a '57 strat in pristine mint condition than one that looks like someone hit it with a belt sander. Alot of people do like the aging effect that nitro gives a guitar..... and I think it does add to the mojo, along with worn hardware, aged wood ect.... Personally, I am like you and would rather have a pristine playing piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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