Members tommy_is_here Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hey Everyone, I fell in love with the tone of Trey Anastasio's guitar, built by Paul Languedoc: http://www.languedocguitars.com/faq/ I am trying to approximate this with a Warmoth made guitar. Here are the specs I have so far on paper: Start, hollow body - alder or mapleNeck - maple/rosewoodPickups - 59' Hum, not sure about singles (ideas?)probably maple top.Jumbo SS frets I definitely want to make a Warmoth; what do you think of the above set up? Close enough approximation? What about the body type: you think I should go Alder or Maple? Any other suggestions are most welcome! Cheers,Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Strat Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by tommy_is_here Hey Everyone, I fell in love with the tone of Trey Anastasio's guitar, built by Paul Languedoc:http://www.languedocguitars.com/faq/I am trying to approximate this with a Warmoth made guitar. Here are the specs I have so far on paper:Start, hollow body - alder or mapleNeck - maple/rosewoodPickups - 59' Hum, not sure about singlesprobably maple top.Jumbo SS fretsI definitely want to make a Warmoth; what do you think of the above set up?Close enough approximation? What about the body type: you think I should go Alder or Maple? Any other suggestions are most welcome!Cheers,Tommy does warmoth make chambered maple strats??? if so i would go for maple, thta would be a really unique guitar:cool: I am actually building something very similiar through USAGC right now. i have a hollow swamp ash strat with a maple/ebony neck:cool: big SS frets too:thu: I am using voodoo single coils for it:love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommy_is_here Posted September 21, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Yes they do make Maple bodies for the hollowbody stat option! I was settling on Alder (good ole faithful wood), but then noticed languedoc uses maple for the bodies, which should more closely and faithfully reproduce the tone sonically, and perhaps improve sustain (?) I will check out the vodoo single coils? Do you think there's any danger in mixing pickup brands (ie. CD 59 and vodoos for the singles) Cheers,Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sharp shredder Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 those languedocs are $10,000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Strat Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by tommy_is_here I will check out the vodoo single coils? Do you think there's any danger in mixing pickup brands (ie. CD 59 and vodoos for the singles)Cheers,Tom no, i one of my strats i run voodoos on the neck and mid and a lil JB i the bridge:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CorkyMcGee Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by sharp shredder those languedocs are $10,000! And probably worth every penny.... my pants are a little tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ()()() Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 i'm not sure those specs will get you very close to the sound of his instrument...i'd think about it a little more even then, i'm not sure warmoth produces any bodies that will get you close your specs are leading you to a very bright sounding guitar, with the maple top, maple neck, stainless frets, strat body, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommy_is_here Posted September 21, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 interesting; I'm always a bit confused to tell you the truth when folks describe woods as 'bright' or 'warm'. I can never really correlate that to guitar sounds. (I'm a total novice) What approach do you think would replicate Trey's guitar. I have heard a lot of things, some conflicting: * you need a heavy instrument, with enough wood for resonance* Pickups should SD 59s on both neck/bridge* you need a hollowbody, but one with significant weight* the maple top will help create the sustain. Thanks for your thoughts. -Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CorkyMcGee Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Remember you're essentially building a wild beast. You'll need to route the volume and tone controls closer to the pickups so you can slide them with your fingers while playing. Doesn't trey's guitar use bronze for some of the hardware? I think it may even have a bronze nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommy_is_here Posted September 21, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Interseting, I didn't think of the bronze hw component. For they bodu, I've also heard the doing a Koa top for a chambered instrument would be a good thing....oh by, I'm confused. I wish there were an easier way to figure this out. -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aloha Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 You might want to check out a Carvin Fatboy... With the right combination of woods, you can probably get alot closer than with Warmouth. Here's a link... www.carvin.com Look under custom guitars and remember that they don't list all the options online. You have to call to find out what else they can do. ...and they may act stupid... Aloha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 I don't want to discourage you, this is a very intriguing little project and I'm curious to hear more, but you could replicate Trey's exact setup and you still won't sound like him. Just food for thought. I always figured the biggest key to his sound was the small size of his semi-hollow, and thats what yields the sustain and near-instant feedback he can get from it. I hadn't thought about the density of the wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Funk Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 A large part of the sound is that its a FULL hollowbody archtop with an ebony trapeze tail piece and a floating bridge. its like a jazz guitar, but smaller. A chambered body isn't going to come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Funk Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Also, Trey's guitar has an ebony fingerboard on a maple neck. 24 frets, 25.5 inch scale. For the last 10 years he has been playing a koa guitar with bronze saddles on the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aloha Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 The only thing a Carvin Fatboy doesn't have from this list is: An ebony trapeze tailpiece Bronze saddles Otherwise, I think it could work... maple neck...checkebony board...check25.5 scale...checkmaple or koa top...checkmaple, alder, or mahogony body...check Give it some thought; I have one and it definitely gets me in the ballpark. Aloha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Funk Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by aloha The only thing a Carvin Fatboy doesn't have from this list is:An ebony trapeze tailpiece Bronze saddlesOtherwise, I think it could work...maple neck...checkebony board...check25.5 scale...checkmaple or koa top...checkmaple, alder, or mahogony body...checkGive it some thought; I have one and it definitely gets me in the ballpark.Aloha But the main thing that it doesn't have is full archtop hollowbody. The fatboy is a chambered guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chu2 Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by The Funk But the main thing that it doesn't have is full archtop hollowbody. The fatboy is a chambered guitar. Au contraire, my friend. There IS a full hollow version of the Fatboy. It just has twin support beams running across the top underneath, much like a standard archtop. A very cool concept, IMO. Look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by The Funk But the main thing that it doesn't have is full archtop hollowbody. The fatboy is a chambered guitar. +1 If anybody knows of a cheap archtop hollowbody for the love of god let us know! Trey's a big reason I've been GASing for a hollowbody for a while, but I can never settle on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aloha Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 I'm no Carvin fanboy, but I do feel the need to point out some common confusion concerning the Fatboy: It may not be a carved archtop... But it is fully hollow. I have one. The Fatboy is completely hollow. It's true it has a different kind of bracing, but the sound is there. Also, the pickups that come standard on it may look funny, but sound very smooth and classic. I looked on Carvin's page and realized that the specs aren't there anymore. If you ask on their discussion board, then you can get any of the other more specific questions answered. Like I said, I have one. I can tell you this much...it sounds like a more modern variation on a classic archtop (which I've had in the past). Give it some thought... Aloha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 I feel like I saw a builder that was making COPIES of the Languedoc. Someone posted it here awhile back, maybe there is a link? I think they were closer to $2000-3000. Expensive? Yes. But you are looking at a guitar that will be impossible to replicate without forking over some major cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mercer Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by Wilbo26 +1If anybody knows of a cheap archtop hollowbody for the love of god let us know! Trey's a big reason I've been GASing for a hollowbody for a while, but I can never settle on anything. What about a Warmoth L5S hollowbody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted September 22, 2006 Members Share Posted September 22, 2006 Originally posted by Mercer What about a Warmoth L5S hollowbody? Hmmm, me likey. Although I think I would spend so much time perusing the Warmoth site and pondering various options that I would never actually get the thing built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogsinotpalc Posted September 22, 2006 Members Share Posted September 22, 2006 Abyss makes some guitars that are very close to Paul's at a much more affordable price point ($2,000.00 or so). I'd definitely look into the Holdsworth Fatboy as well...maybe even consider the AE-185 (while not a true hollowbody, it has piezo electronics which when combined with the magnetics can yeild a fuller more archtop electric type sound). But as mentioned about the gear being a small part of the equation, Trey could play a Fender '52 Tele Reissue and he'd still sound like himself after messing with te guitar and amp enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommy_is_here Posted September 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2006 i checked out abyss; wow, looks beautiful. Unfortunately, looks like most trey clones are in the 4-6K range...quite a bit outside my budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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