Members wwwjd Posted March 31, 2010 Members Share Posted March 31, 2010 I thought computer mixing was the target? Let it determine levels, EQ etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted April 1, 2010 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2010 I meant microdynamics ('twas a typo) - referring to the dynamic differences within milliseconds as opposed to the dynamic differences across the whole track. Though, I do feel some responses in this thread have gotten a little condescending and stroppy... I'll try to ignore this. When I say 'harmonic exciter', I meant something that would not only EQ a track to emulate another track but recognize the harmonic character and apply it accordingly. I'm aware they are used in mastering, not mixing - however, this is simply due to exciters often yielding poor results on individual tracks (maybe with the exception of vocals.) But most of all: this thread wasn't about making instruments sound like other instruments, it was about getting a program to recognize clashing tracks in order to create space in the mix. e.g. Guitar spikes around 3khz Vocal spikes around 3khz Program reduces guitar by 2db at 3khz (or recommends that you do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted April 1, 2010 Members Share Posted April 1, 2010 I meant microdynamics ('twas a typo) - referring to the dynamic differences within milliseconds as opposed to the dynamic differences across the whole track. Though, I do feel some responses in this thread have gotten a little condescending and stroppy... I'll try to ignore this.When I say 'harmonic exciter', I meant something that would not only EQ a track to emulate another track but recognize the harmonic character and apply it accordingly. I'm aware they are used in mastering, not mixing - however, this is simply due to exciters often yielding poor results on individual tracks (maybe with the exception of vocals.) Condescending? Well, if you're referring to my post, that's hardly the case, as I was trying to help you. But I should point out that "microdynamics" as you used it was not understandable, as evidenced by our posts trying to figure it out, and that a "harmonic exciter" is something very specific and is not as you describe it above. If trying to help you, trying to understand what you are saying, and correcting your terminology is considered "condescending", then I can save you a lot of grief and stop responding. Your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted April 1, 2010 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2010 Condescending? Well, if you're referring to my post, that's hardly the case, as I was trying to help you. But I should point out that "microdynamics" as you used it was not understandable, as evidenced by our posts trying to figure it out, and that a "harmonic exciter" is something very specific and is not as you describe it above. If trying to help you, trying to understand what you are saying, and correcting your terminology is considered "condescending", then I can save you a lot of grief and stop responding. Your call. No I wasn't referring to you When I said harmonic exciter, I meant more of an 'emulative harmonic exciter' - something that would analyse harmonic patterns and recreate them in the source track. Ultimately something similar to matching-eq, but through harmonic excitation.If I didn't make that clear, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted April 1, 2010 Members Share Posted April 1, 2010 No I wasn't referring to you When I said harmonic exciter, I meant more of an 'emulative harmonic exciter' - something that would analyse harmonic patterns and recreate them in the source track. Ultimately something similar to matching-eq, but through harmonic excitation. If I didn't make that clear, I apologize. No problem. But just to be clear, the phrase "harmonic exciter" refers to something else entirely. Consider using another phrase to avoid future confusion. http://www.izotope.com/support/help/ozone/pages/mod_harmonic_exciter.htm Harmonic exciters can give a sparkle or shine to the upper frequencies of a mix. They can also be used in mid and even low frequencies to add a boost or presence. Add warmth, sparkle and shine with four separate bands of excitation. Like other multiband modules in Ozone, the multiband harmonic excitation is based on the four bands set in the multiband section. http://www.audiomastermind.com/browse-harmonic_exciters-5887012-1.html Wikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciter_%28effect%29 An Exciter (also called a "harmonic exciter", "psychoacoustic processor", "enhancer", or "Aural Exciter" is an audio signal processing technique used to enhance a signal by dynamic equalization, phase manipulation, harmonic synthesis of (usually) high frequency signals, and through the addition of subtle harmonic distortion. Dynamic Equalization involves variation of the Equalizer characteristics in the time domain as a function of the input. Due to the varying nature, noise is reduced compared to static equalizers. Harmonic synthesis involves the creation of higher order harmonics from the fundamental frequency signals present in the recording. As noise usually decreases with the frequency band, the harmonics are derived from a purer frequency band resulting in clearer highs. Exciters are also used to synthesize harmonics of low frequency signals to simulate deep bass in smaller speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted April 1, 2010 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2010 No problem.But just to be clear, the phrase "harmonic exciter" refers to something else entirely. Consider using another phrase to avoid future confusion.http://www.izotope.com/support/help/ozone/pages/mod_harmonic_exciter.htmhttp://www.audiomastermind.com/browse-harmonic_exciters-5887012-1.htmlWikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciter_%28effect%29 Ok, but it would really be a kind of harmonic exciter in that it would add harmonics... I've never heard of anything that does what I described. Maybe a 'Matching EQ Exciter'... or a 'Matching Harmonic Exciter'... I am aware of what a harmonic exciter is, despite my poor conveyance of my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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