Members Thri11_H0use Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hey guys. i was wondering, in what fashion to you arrange your tremolo springs? Or what is the most stable? 1) 2) 3) 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Burningleaves Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I use 5 and have them all in a row. The bridge sits flat on the guitars body and only allows for donward trem use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Burgess Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I generally use a straight pull 3 spring setup. If that's not enough pull though I'll go to the triangular 3 spring configuartion (I prefer pic 1 over 3) for the additional tension. I've not had to use more than 3 springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I do the first one u posted when using 3 springs, or if using 4 I do two straight across in pairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prages Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I usually use either 2 or 3 springs. With 2, I put the springs in the outer holes on the trem block, and on the 2nd and 4th hook on the claw. When I use 3 springs, I just add one right in the middle of both the block and the claw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members neal73 Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 5 springs - pull that trem into the body tighter than a scottish jew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GarysBlues Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I agree with Prages. And I usually go 2 or 3 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humbuckerstrat Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 5 springs - pull that trem into the body tighter than a scottish jew. +1, and I use 11-50 strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I use 10-52's....I couldn't imagine using 5 springs; seems like the sensitivity would be F'd up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humbuckerstrat Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 I use 10-52's....I couldn't imagine using 5 springs; seems like the sensitivity would be F'd up.Well, my trems are pretty crappy and they don't stray in tune any other way. They are pretty stiff tho, but i like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul44 Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 5 springs.........more stable and it sounds better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Well, my trems are pretty crappy and they don't stray in tune any other way. They are pretty stiff tho, but i like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dougy Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Either of these, most of my guitars have a Floyd Rose: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Armitage Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Some people still don't understand why people angle the outer two springs... Remember Force Vectors in grade 9 math? http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/vectors/u3l3b.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dougy Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Some people still don't understand why people angle the outer two springs... Remember Force Vectors in grade 9 math? No. I just do it that way because that's how they were when I bought my first trem-equipped guitar almost 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdMan63 Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I go with number 2, 3 strings straight pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thri11_H0use Posted January 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Some people still don't understand why people angle the outer two springs...Remember Force Vectors in grade 9 math?http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/vectors/u3l3b.html Your right i dont understand, but i would like to. I read the article, but still dont get it. Why is it better to angle the springs? Its really the whole reason i started this thread. My Ibanez always had the springs arranged like #2, all 3 springs straight across. But i recently bought a jackson RR3, and it came with springs arranged like #1, the outter ones angled inward toward the claw. Im wondering if i should set the jackson like the ibanez, or the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DFWXJER Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 5 Springs on my US Strat. I'm not a fan of the floating 2pt tremolo, so I clamp that sucker down. On my old '62 RI I used 3. 2,3, and 4th spot on the claw, and 1, 3, 5th on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pipedwho Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Some people still don't understand why people angle the outer two springs...Remember Force Vectors in grade 9 math?http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/vectors/u3l3b.html This is not entirely the case when springs are involved. Ie. if all you do is move the spring from one hook to the next you are not only creating an additional perpendicular force vector, but you are also increasing the spring tension at the same time. So moving the springs actually increases the tension on the springs/strings. This is because in the case of guitar trem springs the additional spring tension added by increasing the distance on the hypotenuse is greater than the decreasing resultant vector in the parallel plane. It would be a different story if the spring was already stretched to 10 times its original length, but guitar springs only need to stretch about 10 to 15% to maintain equilibrium (and the smaller the initial percentage delta, the greater the increase when stretching the spring). The real benefit of this configuration is that you get a little extra tension for the same claw position. But, you also get some perpendicular tension that helps keep the springs and the trem from wobbling around (not that the trem wobbling is a concern on any decent trem design, but it helps a bit with spring vibration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr Wanker Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Like Armitage said, it has loads to do with force vectors. Part of the balancing forces are exerted against the block, so while the matching tension is the same, it feels like less tension. That's what we as guitarists care about. They're not that lazy that they can't turn in their claw. Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pipedwho Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Like Armitage said, it has loads to do with force vectors. Part of the balancing forces are exerted against the block, so while the matching tension is the same, it feels like less tension. That's what we as guitarists care about. They're not that lazy that they can't turn in their claw. Give me a break. Very true. The 'triangle' configuration decreases the apparent spring constant in the parallel plane, making the spring feel a little more 'spongy' and less stiff for the same spring tension. This is great with Floyd Rose trems for tricks like flicking the bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VengefulTikiGod Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 OMG you fixed my guitar. My MIM strat has had a high E that didnt ring out as well as the other strings for more that 2 years, I tried raising the action, switching the saddles, to no avail, and all my guitar tech said was to get a heavier MIA strat trem system because the MIM didn't have a heavy enough block. I just put the trem in position 1 and now the high E string's fine. Much thanks to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcindc Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I use three splayed so that the resonance of the springs is not at the same frequency, and to provide more force so I don't have to have 4 springs. ...and besides it looks much cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Armitage Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I put a small piece of foam between the springs (not touching the body) so that they don't resonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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