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Originally posted by Tedster

Me.
:D

 

Sorry Tedster but I'm with you. Although your humility means I'm starting to be partial to your musical possibilities. No, afraid you don't count either.

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Originally posted by paulskirocks

everyone on mtv!

 

YOu don't have to fight the rising hate as it courses thru your body?

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Originally posted by Tedster

Me.
:D

 

I think Ted's right. Everybody in here could elicit a comment. I'll juts say that Willie rules! My momma said if I don't have anything nice to say...plus I already filled my quota today. :D

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Originally posted by the stranger



I think Ted's right. Everybody in here could elicit a comment. I'll juts say that Willie rules! My momma said if I don't have anything nice to say...plus I already filled my quota today.
:D

 

Ah but that's the point. Musicians you feel utterly neutral about. Maybe if I start listening to Willie I'd get into him but as yet....

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I will second Eric Clapton. I know he is good, I just don't enjoy listening to him. Don't hate it, just a whole lot of other's out there that I will turn to.

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Precisely! One can be quite "good", and you feel neutral about them. You don't really like their music, but it doesn't send you scrambling for the john, either. I hear a good bit of stuff, even on the radio stations I like, that I'm neutral about. Not bad enough to be a dial turner, not good enough to be catchy.

 

For me, usually, it's not about an artist, as much as it is about a given song. There are a lot of (since we're talking about Clapton) Clapton's songs that I really like. A few that I don't care for, and quite a few that they're just "okay"...(shrug).

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Phish.

 

I realize I'm going against my entire generation of psuedo-hippie-we-were-born-20-years-too-late-to-be-Deadheads-so-we-followed-these-guys-around-instead peers, but I'm just so "eh" about them. To me, most of their writing kinda sounded like a bunch of theoretically good musicians got together and just kinda went "uuuuuuhhhhh?" for nine and a half minutes at a time.

 

Which is pretty much my only feelings towards them. "Uuuuhhhh?"

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Crosby, Stills and Nash (I'm more pro- Neil Young than neutral). OK, you guys certainly do harmonize well. So do a lot of groups. What else you got?

 

 

Branwyn's choice made me think of this:

 

The Grateful Dead. Yes, I saw them live (August 1980). I just never got it, whatever "it" was.

 

 

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+1 on Phish - don't hate 'em, but don't see what all the fuss is about either. (and I'm one of your 20-something peers)

I'll extend that to jam bands in general. It's not awful stuff on the whole, but just doesn't do it for me.

Hmmmm....others....how 'bout Jonny Lang, Derek Trucks, Kenney Wayne Shepard, and company. I recognize that they're all very good, but I'm just not feeling it.

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Originally posted by MarkZ

... The Grateful Dead. Yes, I saw them live (August 1980). I just never got it, whatever "it" was.


 

Same here, and I will add one that might get me into trouble. Bruce Springstein. Maybe it is because I never saw him live. The closest I ever got to seeing Bruce was the Grammies the other night. That did NOT improve my view of his music. He's OK. We played his songs. Just never got the craze.

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Originally posted by MarkZ

The Grateful Dead. Yes, I saw them live (August 1980). I just never got it, whatever "it" was.


 

Joke I heard once:

 

Q: What did one Deadhead say to the other when they ran out of dope?

 

A: Man, this music really sucks, dude...

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Which gig is worse, Grateful Dead keyboardist or Spinal Tap drummer? Discuss.

 

When I heard that Bruce Hornsby (who I like a lot) was sitting in the keyboard chair for several Dead dates, I screamed "NOOOOOOO!!!!!" I was shocked that Vince Welnick got out of there alive.

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Richard Clayderman and Esteban and pretty much any 'musician' who has their own long play ad on TV.

 

There have been times when Clapton, the Dead and Phish and some of the others have moved me. There are other times when the overall feeling is that they were making the record just to finish the contract.

 

There was a time when the Cure and Depeche Mode first were putting out records. All my friends were way into them and I just kinda scratched my head. Still do. And Leonard Cohen should just go ahead and take the Prozac and teach English somewhere.

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Originally posted by Tedster



Joke I heard once:


Q: What did one Deadhead say to the other when they ran out of dope?


A: Man, this music really
sucks
, dude...

 

Haven't really heard anything like enough to know if that's fair or not but LOL.

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Originally posted by Frantag

Richard Clayderman and Esteban and pretty much any 'musician' who has their own long play ad on TV.


There have been times when Clapton, the Dead and Phish and some of the others have moved me. There are other times when the overall feeling is that they were making the record just to finish the contract.


There was a time when the Cure and Depeche Mode first were putting out records. All my friends were way into them and I just kinda scratched my head. Still do. And Leonard Cohen should just go ahead and take the Prozac and teach English somewhere.

 

Not a Cure obsessive but some things like Plainsong off Disentigration are amongst the most moving great pieces of music I've heard.

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Originally posted by MarkZ

Crosby, Stills and Nash (I'm more pro- Neil Young than neutral). OK, you guys certainly do harmonize well. So do a lot of groups. What else you got?



Branwyn's choice made me think of this:


The Grateful Dead. Yes, I saw them live (August 1980). I just never got it, whatever "it" was.


 

I've heard some great CSNY material but feel a bit repelled by the kind of feeling we're sposed to get all emotional at the beautiful harmony stuff. Kind of like the Press the Heartwarming Beautiful button has triggered the desired audience response. I hate being dictated to.

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Put me down for Eric Clapton. I don't dislike any of his stuff, but it's rare that I'll go out of my way to hear it. His guitar playing is nothing special either. I don't see what the big deal is.

 

 

Originally posted by MarkZ

The Grateful Dead. Yes, I saw them live (August 1980). I just never got it, whatever "it" was.

 

I hear ya on the Grateful Dead. People just get so into them, but I never 'got it' either. Two drummers, and they still can't hold down a solid beat?:confused:

 

HOWEVER,

I have the double CD set of the Jerry Garcia Band Live, and I think it is amazing.

Jerry's rambling guitar playing works perfectly. He goes everywhere, and stumbles onto some really cool stuff.

Drums and bass are solid. The drummer is quite good, in fact.

Jerry's rough voice works great with the black female backup singers.

The guy on the B3 will make a faithless man believe. Just incredible. Most evocative B3 I've ever heard.

 

If you can't get into the Dead, but you want to experience that folky, rock, psychodelic jam band thing, check this out, I promise you won't be disappointed

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Originally posted by myshkin



I've heard some great CSNY material but feel a bit repelled by the kind of feeling we're sposed to get all emotional at the beautiful harmony stuff. Kind of like the Press the Heartwarming Beautiful button has triggered the desired audience response. I hate being dictated to.

 

I think the same can be said about anything...

 

Press the Heartwarming Beautiful button

Press the {censored}kickin' Pickup Truck button

Press the "Crah in yore beer" button

Press the "Ain't Nobody's Gonna Beat My Car" button

Press the My N!99@$ Gonna Bust a Cap in Yo Ass button

Press the Cookie Monster Mosh button

Press the Angry Socially Conscious Protest button

 

Point being, music is about pushing people's buttons. That's what it's designed to do. Music is successful if it pushes buttons, in either a positive or negative way, if it achieves the effect desired of it's author...

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Originally posted by myshkin



Not a Cure obsessive but some things like Plainsong off Disentigration are amongst the most moving great pieces of music I've heard.

 

I'm willing to give it another listen.

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Clapton, interestingly enough, is the one that first came to mind. I could build a pretty big list if I wanted to take the time.

 

Of course, when you're the only keyboard player in a town of guitar-oriented teenaged males in the mid-'70s you get used to the looks of bewilderment when you admit that you're just not that into the Zep or the 'Smith or any number of other arena guitar type situations.

 

;)

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Originally posted by songrytr


Of course, when you're the only keyboard player in a town of guitar-oriented teenaged males in the mid-'70s you get used to the looks of bewilderment when you admit that you're just
not that into
the Zep or the 'Smith or any number of other arena guitar type situations.


;)

 

 

And I thought I was the only mid-late '70s keyboard player who wasn't into Led Zep (except for "JPJ on keyboard" tunes like "No Quarter"). I appreciate them more now than I did then.

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Originally posted by Tedster



I think the same can be said about anything...


Press the Heartwarming Beautiful button

Press the {censored}kickin' Pickup Truck button

Press the "Crah in yore beer" button

Press the "Ain't Nobody's Gonna Beat My Car" button

Press the My N!99@$ Gonna Bust a Cap in Yo Ass button

Press the Cookie Monster Mosh button

Press the Angry Socially Conscious Protest button


Point being, music is about pushing people's buttons. That's what it's designed to do. Music is successful if it pushes buttons, in either a positive or negative way, if it achieves the effect desired of it's author...

 

My point, not very well made, is that it feels a very self-conscious kind of Press the Heartwarming Button thing, as opposed to your natural outpouring of whatever it is you have to put out there. It doesn't quite ring through for me.

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No, I think I caught what you were getting at...and you've got a very valid point.

 

Mine was that basically, everytime we turn on the radio (or TV) someone is aiming to push our buttons, to make us feel some sort of emotion, whether it's about the songwriter's state of mind when he/she wrote the song, or some emotion about your new car, fabric softener, car insurance, whatever. And we can choose to allow which buttons someone else can or can't push, for the most part. And, IMO, a very basic part of human nature is to acknowledge those buttons which we wish to have pushed and at what time.

 

For example, a guy cruising the bars in his hot rod, looking for hot women, doesn't want his "cute puppies snuggling in sheets washed with Febreeze fabric softener" button to be pushed, and he'll fight that tooth and claw, but, if you want to push his "cruising the bars in my hot rod looking for hot women" button, well, that's cool. If it's an emotion we feel comfortable with, or one we wish to entertain at the time, we'll embrace that button...but if it's contrary to where we are at the time, we'll turn it off or make fun of it. And that's human nature, too...the guy cruising might well say "HAHA, yeah, we oughta use those damn fabric softener puppies for target practice"...not that he really wants to shoot puppies...the commercial just pushes a button he doesn't want to have pushed at the time. :D

 

And, I guess, in the context of this thread...if something pushes your buttons one way or the other, it doesn't qualify here.

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Originally posted by Tedster

For example, a guy cruising the bars in his hot rod, looking for hot women, doesn't want his "cute puppies snuggling in sheets washed with Febreeze fabric softener" button, and he'll fight that tooth and claw, but, if you want to push his "cruising the bars in my hot rod looking for hot women" button, well, that's cool.

 

For some reason this made me think of Foreigner.

 

"I'm hot blooded...check it and see..."

 

Funny thing is...I remember doing much better with the girls with the schmaltzy stuff on the 8-track. Billy Joel or Chicago trumped Robert Plant and Steve Tyler anytime in that regard.

 

;)

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Originally posted by songrytr



For some reason this made me think of Foreigner.


"I'm hot blooded...check it and see..."


Funny thing is...I remember
doing much better with the girls
with the schmaltzy stuff on the 8-track. Billy Joel or Chicago trumped Robert Plant and Steve Tyler
anytime
in that regard.


;)

 

PERFECT example, Song...

 

"Hot Blooded" would press the guy's (at least back in the early 80s) "Cruising looking for hot chicks" button. And, most guys, while looking for women, would have prefered to "bestudlify" themselves by having some macho music on...and then shifting to something a bit softer when the time was more appropriate.

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Originally posted by myshkin



YOu don't have to fight the rising hate as it courses thru your body?

 

That's a trick question; Musicians are not featured on MTV anymore :)

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Originally posted by elsongs



That's a trick question; Musicians are not featured on MTV anymore
:)

 

Ah but theres some lovely cars and houses to get excited about

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