Members James Hetfield Acne Scars Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Ive never had such a hard time trying to copy what sounds like a fairly easy song. Ive seen alot of people play it on youtube but every one of them play it wrong, or atleast they arent playing it the way Jake E. Lee plays it. I saw him play it once but cant remember exactly how its done. Anyone know for sure? What tuning is it? Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoodleFace Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I remember all the tabs I saw back when I was 13 trying to learn the song had the 6th and 5th string tuned up a half-step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NitroGtr Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I wish you luck with that one! I tried and tried to nail that song years ago and finally gave up. I thought I was playing it right, but it just never sounded quite right. I have no idea what I was missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members valentsgrif Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Dunno about that song, but you got the best user name on this site; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slvrsrpnt Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Jake's a killer guitarist. I like him with Ozzy much more than Zakk. Too bad it was during Ozzy's Liz Taylor years and that horrible Ultimate Sin record. Bark at the Moon has 2 of my favorite leads in it....great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NitroGtr Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Jake's a killer guitarist. I like him with Ozzy much more than Zakk. Too bad it was during Ozzy's Liz Taylor years and that horrible Ultimate Sin record. Bark at the Moon has 2 of my favorite leads in it....great stuff. Ouch! That album is in my top 3 favorite Ozzy list! Killer of Giants and Shot in the Dark were awesome....IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slvrsrpnt Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Ouch! That album is in my top 3 favorite Ozzy list! Killer of Giants and Shot in the Dark were awesome....IMO. It's all good, I'm just a picky ole grumpy fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members azzzy Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 As far as Ozzy's songwriting goes, "Ultimate Sin" is probably my favorite albom. I am not a big fan of Jake E Lee's tone though. I'd like to hear that album re-recorded with Zakk. He did "Shot In The Dark" on the live record and it was totally kick-ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Swimrunner Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I don't mind Jake's tone, and I sure think he smokes the hell out of Zakk both in chops and creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members azzzy Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I don't mind Jake's tone, and I sure think he smokes the hell out of Zakk both in chops and creativity. Well, I wouldn't go that far. Zakk's chops are awesome. He plays Jake's version of "Shot In The Dark" note for note and then adds his own solo at the end which is a lot faster and more technical than the original. I am not too familiar with Jake's stuff outside of Ozzy but I haven't heard anything by him even close to what Zakk Wylde can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tidalwaveGB Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Jake E. Lee is not using standard tuning for that song. I know that he usually tuned down a half step, but I believe he tuned the 5th string up to a Bb. There may be more to it, but the alternate tuning (whatever it is) probably has a lot to do with why it doesn't sound right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtrwiz Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Jake's a killer guitarist. I like him with Ozzy much more than Zakk. Too bad it was during Ozzy's Liz Taylor years and that horrible Ultimate Sin record. Bark at the Moon has 2 of my favorite leads in it....great stuff. Yeah coz Ultimate Sin was sooo much worse than Down To Earth or Black Rain, or... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Grimace Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah coz Ultimate Sin was sooo much worse than Down To Earth or Black Rain, or... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Ultimate Sin is a decent album!!!! No matter what Ozzy says about it. Obviously he disagrees since he let it go out of print on purpose because he hated it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V-Type Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I don't mind Jake's tone, and I sure think he smokes the hell out of Zakk both in chops and creativity. I agree with this statement. As Zakk the past few years hasnt even come close too the creative guitaring Jake showed and actually isnt even as good as Zakk of Book of Shadows Days either IMO.And the Ultimate Sin is one of Ozzys and Jakes best produced albums. I think Jake is a half step down on Shot in the Dark Ill check when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tidalwaveGB Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 I think Jake is a half step down on Shot in the Dark Ill check when I get home. You may have missed my comment earlier, where I stated that he's not playing that song in standard tuning. There's more to it than just tuning down half a step. I do agree that The Ultimate Sin is easily one of Ozzy's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris B. Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 As far as Ozzy's songwriting goes, "Ultimate Sin" is probably my favorite albom. I am not a big fan of Jake E Lee's tone though. I'd like to hear that album re-recorded with Zakk. He did "Shot In The Dark" on the live record and it was totally kick-ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Guapo Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Tuned down half a step. Nothing more, nothing less. The chords Jake uses are probably what's giving you trouble. Also, add in the fact that the guitars on that album are layered heavily with reverb and who knows what else. Makes it hard to decipher what's going on. Killer song and guitarist. One of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tidalwaveGB Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Tuned down half a step. Nothing more, nothing less. The chords Jake uses are probably what's giving you trouble. Also, add in the fact that the guitars on that album are layered heavily with reverb and who knows what else. Makes it hard to decipher what's going on. Killer song and guitarist. One of my favorites No, I'm pretty sure its alternate tuning. He uses standard Eb throughout the rest of the album for the most part though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Donkey Fly Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Randy Rhoads was the best guitarist Ozzy had. Some of you may disagree.... he wrote some amazing music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ashtray77 Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah coz Ultimate Sin was sooo much worse than Down To Earth or Black Rain, or... +1 the last two albums werent so great. I'd take U.S. over either of those two any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Hetfield Acne Scars Posted August 10, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 As far as Ozzy's songwriting goes, "Ultimate Sin" is probably my favorite albom. I am not a big fan of Jake E Lee's tone though. I'd like to hear that album re-recorded with Zakk. He did "Shot In The Dark" on the live record and it was totally kick-ass! Thats funny, i always thought the exact opposite. I always hated Zakk's tone and thought his style on Shot In The Dark was weak. I guess its not bad, i just dont like it as good as Jake. Different strokes for different folks i guess. I do think Jake easily smokes Zakk though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members azzzy Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Thats funny, i always thought the exact opposite. I always hated Zakk's tone and thought his style on Shot In The Dark was weak. I guess its not bad, i just dont like it as good as Jake. Different strokes for different folks i guess. I do think Jake easily smokes Zakk though. Well, to each their own. To me "No More Tears" and "Perry Mason" are the two songs with the examples of what the metal guitar tone should be. Although I don't know what was f*cked up on "Black Rain" - mixing or mastering - but the record itself sounds awful and guitars are just attrocious. Blech! I do believe it's the sound engineer/producer's fault, not Zakk's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtrwiz Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Ultimate Sin is a decent album!!!! No matter what Ozzy says about it. Obviously he disagrees since he let it go out of print on purpose because he hated it The only reason that it's out of print is because Sharron wasn't able to buy off Phil Soussan's(sp?) portion of the songwriting credit. Way to stick it to her Phil! :phil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Guapo Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 No, I'm pretty sure its alternate tuning. He uses standard Eb throughout the rest of the album for the most part though. Sorry dude but he's tuned to Eb standard. Always has been on that song. The only song on Ultimate Sin with a different tuning is Ultimate Sin which is dropped Db like on Van Halen's Unchained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wiseguy21690 Posted August 10, 2007 Members Share Posted August 10, 2007 Randy Rhoads was the best guitarist Ozzy had. Some of you may disagree.... he wrote some amazing music. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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