Moderators daddymack Posted November 9, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 9, 2008 Since we get at least one thread a month on this...so here's the deal: Please, rather than start a new thread...search the forum (where it says 'search' up there at the top of the page...for CD Replication Here is a list of replicators and duplicators which have been recommended by forumites over the years: nimbit.com discmakers.com CD Oasis logicgeneral.com Dungeon Replication snjcd.com easymultimedia.co.uk orbisdigital.co.uk proactionmedia.com Tennessee Production Center Kunaki frontporchcd.com dwmmusic.com easymultimedia.co.uk Crystal Clear Sound of texas DiskFaktory Absolute Disc Healey Disc in Canada imprint Nationwide disc cheapcdduplications.com sfvideo.com newcyberian.com sirepress.com Please go check them out before asking the same question we have answered a hundred times, okay? THANKS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted November 9, 2008 Author Moderators Share Posted November 9, 2008 Replication vs Duplication Duplication is basically burning copies of the CD.Replication requires making stampers and pressing copies of the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mishy Posted December 25, 2008 Members Share Posted December 25, 2008 :wave:Thank you! It's this kind of info that really helps people starting out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members semprocess Posted May 30, 2009 Members Share Posted May 30, 2009 its really very good thread, it's become very helpful to another people. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KrunchBerry Posted May 30, 2009 Members Share Posted May 30, 2009 We are laying down our first 3-track demo next moth. We were just going to make our own copies and artwork cause most places charge like $1000 for like 500 CD's. we can make 1000 ourselves for like $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LAPennell Posted May 30, 2009 Members Share Posted May 30, 2009 We are laying down our first 3-track demo next moth. We were just going to make our own copies and artwork cause most places charge like $1000 for like 500 CD's. we can make 1000 ourselves for like $250. The difference between DIY and professional services is where the phrase "You get what you pay for" really rings true. $2 a CD with professionally printed CDs, inserts, and cases is a small price to pay when you consider the time it will take you to burn the CDs, print the labels, print the inserts, and buy the cases. Can you make 1000 for $250? I think that's a bit ambitious, but if you say so. Would I want to? No, my time is worth more than that and I always want to represent myself as professional as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted June 6, 2009 Members Share Posted June 6, 2009 We are laying down our first 3-track demo next moth. We were just going to make our own copies and artwork cause most places charge like $1000 for like 500 CD's. we can make 1000 ourselves for like $250. (sigh) .... go to kunaki.com and you can thank me later. Don't ask questions, just do it. They do everything that the website says they do, and it's perfect for any size run of CD - from ONE to whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingerpicker Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 Dont forget DIY= lots of ink+ you wear out your burner if you are just using your computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jesse G Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 The search function doesn't work. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Or you can just do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Or you can just do it yourself. ...And it will probably never look as good as what you can get pretty cheaply and quickly from Kunaki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cyberwolf Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I've just ventured forth from this exact scenario. I went with a local company for REPLICATION but I think we can add ModernCD and Furnance Manufacturing to the list of small dup/rep facilities. I used C&C Music here on Long Island, NY. Quality work with a very reasonable (re: competitive) price and decent offset printing. The difference for me, between the small duplication and the larger replication is more a printing issue as well. Most of the duplication packages are digitally printed with limitations on the package (ie: up to 6-page folder, as opposed to say, a 12-page offset printed saddle-stitched booklet, which is what I wanted.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 ...And it will probably never look as good as what you can get pretty cheaply and quickly from Kunaki. I reckon it depends on what you have in mind. With the stuff I record, definitely not pop music, I rarely expect to sell more than twenty of each title. I can burn twenty off the machine pretty quickly in my spare time while I am doing other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I reckon it depends on what you have in mind. With the stuff I record, definitely not pop music, I rarely expect to sell more than twenty of each title. I can burn twenty off the machine pretty quickly in my spare time while I am doing other things. Yes, you can do it yourself, and will look like a home-made demo. But... Trust me on this one... The Kunaki product will look better - Shrink wrap, free bar code (if you choose), on disk printing, nice printing on the insert and case tray pages... and it's only $1.75 for *ANY* quantity. Even just one CD. It's certainly worth looking at. ...and NO... I do not work for Kunaki. They did my last solo CD, and more recently my cover band's live demo, and I am quite happy with the quality, cost, and convenience of what they offer. Maybe I'm just on a mission to save the world from demos that look home-made... Just try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yes, you can do it yourself, and will look like a home-made demo. But... Trust me on this one... The Kunaki product will look better - Shrink wrap, free bar code (if you choose), on disk printing, nice printing on the insert and case tray pages... and it's only $1.75 for *ANY* quantity. Even just one CD. It's certainly worth looking at. ...and NO... I do not work for Kunaki. They did my last solo CD, and more recently my cover band's live demo, and I am quite happy with the quality, cost, and convenience of what they offer. Maybe I'm just on a mission to save the world from demos that look home-made... Just try it. I don't disagree with what you are talking about entirely. At some point I might try Kunaki or another CD packaging company. But homemade does not always equal bad nor is it always just a demo. Like I mentioned in another thread, get yourself a copy of I Hate The Man Who Runs This Bar by Dr. Eugene Chadbourne. Also, go to YouTube and watch some Eugene Chadbourne clips. That cat plays some of the most uncommercial sounding stuff you will probably ever hear. He basically plays free jazz and his own interpretations of Appalachian music that also sound like noise and free jazz. He makes a decent living playing music. And he plays all over the world on a regular basis. He puts out several records a year, by himself and with other people. Folks go to his shows. And folks buy his CDs and records. Many of the CDs he makes are homemade. Many of them are rather low fidelity. Some of his CD jackets are made out of used envelopes with pictures glued to them. He still sells them. In fact I buy every single one I can find just because it is by Eugene Chadbourne. An I am definitely not the only one who buys his stuff. Some of his stuff not only sounds really good but it looks cool too. He even plays an electric rake. Not too much unlike Eugene Chadbourne and Jandek I record, mix, and master my own CDs. I do the artwork and write the liner notes. Mostly I do it by hand. Sometimes I order the CD jackets. Sometimes I make them out of card stock. I make about as many as I think I might sell. And I actually sell the ones I make. They aren't demos. They are pretty much a fully developed concept before I actually put them out to sell them. But I am also making not particularly "commercial" music nor is it even band music. Most of it is straight up fingerpicked solo acoustic guitar in a variety of styles, sometimes leaning toward the free jazz and atonal. Sometimes it is my interpretations of blues and gospel from a hundred years ago. Other times I am recording what is basically soundtrack music on old combo organs and electric sitars and stuff. Sometimes it can be somewhat atonal. I make CD jackets that reflect the music inside. I do not expect to sell a lot of the stuff I make. But I sell the stuff I do make. I can make twenty or so copies of my stuff pretty quickly. Many of the pictures I draw for CD jackets are printed at Staples. I just do what I do. If, per chance, I happened to start wanting to record more mainstream music than what I am doing now then I will probably try some of the methods mentioned in this thread. But until then I don't really need to. If I can do it anybody can do it. It really just takes some home recording equipment of halfway decent quality, a few instruments, and some arts and crafts supplies like paper, pens, and glue. It might take a few hours to come up with a concept and make the very first one. But after you know how you are going to make the thing you are going to make you can make more of them pretty quickly. It is not too hard at all to make a pretty decent looking CD cover out of two pieces of card stock. I kind of wish there were more folks making their CDs and CD packaging entirely by themselves. It does exist. Mostly I find this stuff in record stores in the artsy fartsy part of town, the kinds of record stores that I would be most likely to find Eugene Chadbourne records in. Many of them sell folk and outsider art too. I actively search these places out. And I am pretty sure I am not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 I don't disagree with what you are talking about entirely. At some point I might try Kunaki or another CD packaging company. But homemade does not always equal bad nor is it always just a demo. Like I mentioned in another thread, get yourself a copy of I Hate The Man Who Runs This Bar by Dr. Eugene Chadbourne. Also, go to YouTube and watch some Eugene Chadbourne clips. That cat plays some of the most uncommercial sounding stuff you will probably ever hear. He basically plays free jazz and his own interpretations of Appalachian music that also sound like noise and free jazz. He makes a decent living playing music. And he plays all over the world on a regular basis. He puts out several records a year, by himself and with other people. Folks go to his shows. And folks buy his CDs and records. Many of the CDs he makes are homemade. Many of them are rather low fidelity. Some of his CD jackets are made out of used envelopes with pictures glued to them. He still sells them. In fact I buy every single one I can find just because it is by Eugene Chadbourne. An I am definitely not the only one who buys his stuff. Some of his stuff not only sounds really good but it looks cool too. He even plays an electric rake. Not too much unlike Eugene Chadbourne and Jandek I record, mix, and master my own CDs. I do the artwork and write the liner notes. Mostly I do it by hand. Sometimes I order the CD jackets. Sometimes I make them out of card stock. I make about as many as I think I might sell. And I actually sell the ones I make. They aren't demos. They are pretty much a fully developed concept before I actually put them out to sell them. But I am also making not particularly "commercial" music nor is it even band music. Most of it is straight up fingerpicked solo acoustic guitar in a variety of styles, sometimes leaning toward the free jazz and atonal. Sometimes it is my interpretations of blues and gospel from a hundred years ago. Other times I am recording what is basically soundtrack music on old combo organs and electric sitars and stuff. Sometimes it can be somewhat atonal. I make CD jackets that reflect the music inside. I do not expect to sell a lot of the stuff I make. But I sell the stuff I do make. I can make twenty or so copies of my stuff pretty quickly. Many of the pictures I draw for CD jackets are printed at Staples. I just do what I do. If, per chance, I happened to start wanting to record more mainstream music than what I am doing now then I will probably try some of the methods mentioned in this thread. But until then I don't really need to. If I can do it anybody can do it. It really just takes some home recording equipment of halfway decent quality, a few instruments, and some arts and crafts supplies like paper, pens, and glue. It might take a few hours to come up with a concept and make the very first one. But after you know how you are going to make the thing you are going to make you can make more of them pretty quickly. It is not too hard at all to make a pretty decent looking CD cover out of two pieces of card stock. I kind of wish there were more folks making their CDs and CD packaging entirely by themselves. It does exist. Mostly I find this stuff in record stores in the artsy fartsy part of town, the kinds of record stores that I would be most likely to find Eugene Chadbourne records in. Many of them sell folk and outsider art too. I actively search these places out. And I am pretty sure I am not the only one. Well if you want to make an arts & crafts project out of it, knock yourself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Surrealistic Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 Doing it yourself does not necessarily mean the product will look homemade. I've seen some great examples of DIY albums. However the time it takes to do it all yourself (if you're making more than just a few CDs) is what makes it well worthwhile getting a specialist company to do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 Doing it yourself does not necessarily mean the product will look homemade. I've seen some great examples of DIY albums. However the time it takes to do it all yourself (if you're making more than just a few CDs) is what makes it well worthwhile getting a specialist company to do it for you. And if you can get your design professionally printed and packaged for $1.75 per unit with no minimum... why bother with printing it at home? Really, I don't see the big debate here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cyberwolf Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 And if you can get your design professionally printed and packaged for $1.75 per unit with no minimum... why bother with printing it at home? Really, I don't see the big debate here... No argument here either. At that cost, it's worth it merely as a time saver and aggrevation breaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 Well if you want to make an arts & crafts project out of it, knock yourself out. True. Yes, I reckon the thing I am working on at the present time could indeed qualify as an arts and crafts project. Pretty much the entire project is made with things I can get at Staples or with stuff I have around the house. At some point in the not too distant future I will most likely use a CD duplication service. That is why I looked at this thread in the first place. But the concept of the particular project I am currently working on is that as much as possible is done by me at home with stuff I already have or stuff I can get at Staples. Because I recorded the music, mixed it, and mastered it all by myself without any outside help I thought maybe I ought to make the CD jackets too. And since I have this here CD burner contraption I might as well make at least a few copies of the CD with it. It does that. I am basically doing it until I decide I want to send off a CD of my stuff plus artwork, etc to a CD duplicating service. In the meantime why not make some "limited edition" versions of my stuff. In fact why not do this with every single entirely recorded by me CD project I do. But I am making this stuff now before I send anything off to be duplicated because at the present time I have not decided on any particular thing that I am ready to send off to be duplicated. When that time comes I will do it. But in the meantime why not make some CDs anyway right here right now at home while I have it on my mind. From about two to six in the morning my wife is asleep and I am still up. It is quiet time. I have to be quiet so my wife can sleep. This is the time that would usually be spent surfing the net or playing video games or something, something to do while winding down after a gig. So in order to spend that time doing something other than surfing the net or playing computer games why not do something "artistic" and basically not use my laptop computer at all. So I draw pictures and make boxes to put CDs in, etc. Basically arts and crafts projects. Not that there is anything wrong with it. But it is what I do in my spare time when I need to be relatively quiet so my wife can sleep. It gives me a reason to keep drawing the sort of things I draw. Most are graveyard scenes in black ink on parchment paper. It takes me ten or fifteen minutes to draw them. It sure beats staying out all night drinking. And it sure beats passively surfing the net. I actually enjoy doing it. I have the mental frame of mind to do it. And I can make some limited edition handmade original artwork box set versions of my CDs in the process. And even when I do decide that it is time to send off some CDs and stuff to a CD duplication service I will still have these things I am making by myself as things that can go in my catalog of stuff I have done. Not only can you buy a CD of my stuff but you can buy a special limited editon version of it as well as long as they are in stock and as often as I feel like making more of them. It is all about using one's imagination. These current CD projects of mine are all about channeling my inner six year old. I dig it. It is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 10, 2009 Members Share Posted July 10, 2009 ...Basically arts and crafts projects. Not that there is anything wrong with it. ... Never said that there was... If that's your thing, have fun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted July 10, 2009 Members Share Posted July 10, 2009 Never said that there was... If that's your thing, have fun with it. Yes. I'm basically just experimenting and trying things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gigmaster Posted July 20, 2009 Members Share Posted July 20, 2009 I use Disc-Makers. I can recommend them without reservations. They always done a good job, and delivered on-time, everytime, for a fair price. I know it sounds like a lot of money to pay $500.00 dollars for 250 CDs, but look at it from a business standpoint (as you should be looking at everything musical). You pay $500.00 and get 250 professionaly processed CDs. Now, you are going to sell them for at least $10.00 each. That's a net profit of $2000.00! (250 x 10.00 = 2500. $2500.00 minus the intial $500.00 cost of reproduction = $2000.00 net profit. Now, you can turn around and use that to make even more copies. The more copies you make, the less they charge you to produce them, and you make even more money. If you really can't afford to do it that way, you can make 10-20 copies at a time on your own computer and sell them at your gigs, and put the money up until you have enough to get a large run produced. You can also sell them online through CD Baby, and other places, without even having to make more than 1 physical CD yourself. You only make half as much off of each sale, but you have no expenses after the intial paltry set-up fee (I think it's around $50.00). You just let people at your gigs know that it is on CD Baby, and they can download it at their pleasure. I love the internet! This is the wave of the future....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurfu Posted July 20, 2009 Members Share Posted July 20, 2009 You pay $500.00 and get 250 professionaly processed CDs. Kunaki is cheaper, and you get a free bar-code and full-color on-disc printing. Discmakers only does black text on the disc for short-run orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FantasyGuy Posted July 26, 2009 Members Share Posted July 26, 2009 About 8 years ago my band attempted to make our own labels, inserts ect. It turned out horrible and looked highly unprofessional despite our best efforts. I suggest using a company online that is well respected and will do the job right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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