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  1. My 5150 speakers I didnt care for very much. That 5150 cab sounded WAY better with my V30/V12 mix.
  2. Im more concerned about why hydrogen and oxygen, both flammable and will burn, somehow combine into water that puts out fires. Figure that out.
  3. The secret to winning would be to bump the thread while the most HCAF'ers are asleep, but then no one would care because the post would fade to obscurity. What a {censored}ty game.
  4. By the way, I love how you open up your argument with an obviously derogatory "did you go to school?" And even if I did you asume I was taught by liberal left-wingers. I went to a private school that was the epitome of a WASP academy, and then I went to college at a privat,e BAPTIST college. I even took a really interesting Bible course. Instilled in me a lot of respect for the Bible but a lot of disgust for those who abuse it for the sake of their own personal gain and power. And despite my Christian upbringing, I've been pretty disillusioned with religion since I was 15. Either way, I dont recall ever having to resort to "you're just a right-wing neocon! I bet you didnt even go to school!" or anything along those lines. Seems most of the insults come from the right, although I wont deny the left tends to attract some interestingly immature folk from time to time. Either way, I'm Libertarian, not democrat, so if you want to label me as left-wing, you're not quite on the mark. And I dont smoke pot or do any drugs either, so I have no personal vested interest in seeing it legalized. (I do think it's a good idea, though)
  5. Originally posted by guitar shmoe This isn't accurate. Actually it is backward. The only thing our secular society seems to NOT tolerate is Christianity. Did you go to school?.... A history lesson your left-wing liberal God-hating teacher probably didn't teach you.... Our founding Fathers (though most weren't outright Christians or rather Deists) understood the importance of a foundational and stable moral code. Funny how they ALL agreed on the Christian Bible to follow....I have DOZENS and DOZENS of quotes from Jeffereson, Franklin, Henry, Hancock etc...stating that our country will FAIL if it strays from sound faith in the Christian God....they respected the Bible so much they FRAMED our Constitution and Bill of Rights from it's language. There is a reason and definition for 'LIBERTY' and it's basis is espoused NO OTHER PLACE but in the Bible, our ORIGINS as a nation are strickly Biblical...what alot of you young 'know-it-alls' are actually saying is: "Thanks for starting us up and getting us this far God, but, we can take it from here.." I would be MORE than happy to move to a state where Christianity ruled and allow for non-Christians to legislate their own 'morality'...I just don't want to be subject to liberal shifting situational (political correct) ethics and moral relativism...you want to see a real arguement? try discussing morality with a group of people that are moral relativists...no foundation...no standard...like trying to pin jello to the wall... I've read just as many quotes from our founding fathers saying the exact opposite of christianity. I don't care about archaic forms of soundbites. I personally feel that moral codes are irrelevant to religion. I think our innate moral codes and sense of public decency were the foundations of moral codes you find in religions... I have faith in people... not all people, but the degenerate subculture types have always existed and will probably always exist. Making Christian morality law isn't going to change that. How would you feel if a Jew were elected president and somehow managed to get pork (as in the food, not the practice) outlawed in the US. Wouldn't you feel your rights were being violated? It's not that difficult to come to a concensus on what should and should not be acceptable, a few problem areas arise, but for the most part I think we have a good system - stealing is bad, murder is bad, and infringing on other people's rights is bad. Why everyone feels the need to give the government yet more things to clamp down confuses me, furthermore, it sets a dangerous precedent. Before you know it, non-churchgoers are going to be monitored and "profiled" and before you know it anyone with a dissenting opinion or just anyone outside the norm at all is going to disappear and go into rehabilitation, 1984 style. I think we need LESS government oversight on EVERYTHING. We do not need Federal laws saying who we can or cannot date. I'm not gay, but dammit it's the principle of the thing. I should marry whoever hte {censored} I want, why is the government involved in that? It shouldn't be. It's only involved because the established Christian right is so insecure and xenophobic that they would sacrifice their right to religious freedom in order to get rid of anyone who disagrees with them. Just my personal opinion, but it's just what I think. When you start chopping away the rights of others (Even if they're for your own benefit) you start going down a path where any and all rights are not set in stone, and that's not where I want to see this country go. So yes, I think we should be able to burn the flag if we want to, and the only exception should be when we try to go burn other people and buildings with it. You strip rights away so people can feel better about their jingoistic tendencies, and all we're doing is removing the right to dissent, which is INTEGRAL to a truly enlightened democratic society. I love this country and as far as I'm concerned it's the closest thing to a Utopia that exists. But the way things are going lately it's just sickening me. We survived McCarthyism, but it looks like we only dodged the bullet for another 50 years.
  6. I dont mind that Christians try to live by their Christian moral code... What upsets me is how vehemently Christian want their moral code to be THE moral code. This push to legislate Christian morality into law. This is just not fair to the rest of us. And Im sorry guys but I think this tauted decline of society is really overblown. This paranoid chicken little crap irritates me. Things are different, some things are worse, some things are better. Things need to be fixed? Do you think making the US into a fascist theocracy will help anything? And at what cost?
  7. Originally posted by Lgehrig4 Excellent post! Don't understand what Dirtybird was talking about when he wrote this "I would agree with everything you said except the Christian horse{censored}." All you said was "faith in God"? Doesn't have to be Chistian and didn't really harp on religion. Yeah, that is exactly what I'm talking about. Faith or no faith in god has nothing to do with rampant materialism and the hyperbolic "decline" of western society. Most criminals and urban trouble-makers believe in God too, you know.
  8. Originally posted by Towelie v2.0 The US got fat. It began with WWII when women became self sufficient from working in factories whilst the menfolk went off to war. After the war when the mens came back, they found their old ladies banging the strays next door. Married men tried to regain their households, but their wives had a shameless tatste of independence and the kids were fatherless and w/o structure for too long. America found itself in a newly boosted economy, and focus shifted away from traditional family life to modern materialism. Power and money were easily attainable in the new system, and drugs shifted the consciousness of abandoned American youth toward something instantly gratifying. The Age Of Aquarious finally gave young people the kind of escapism which allowed them to be completely free of traditional rules of society. A freedom which matured into the Rock N Roll excesses of the 1980's. In the wake of a newly realized disseases such as Herpes and Aids, along with an economy sucked dry by a previous generation of post-hippies and with morality at an all-time low, the youth of America gave way once again to complacency within existing social structures, and manifested itself as perhaps the most hopeless and apathetic generation in America to date; the 1990's. Music, particularly Rock N Roll of various types, was once the church of American Youth; full of energey, raw emotion, phylosphy, religion and the like, the groups they followed were unique identifiers of individuality. In the 90's, however, the lax sounds of women and acoustic ballads marked the finality of the golden years of America. We've crested the glass mountain, now heading down the other side. We've become spoiled, complacent, apathetic, without individual voice, and above all, self-serving. Morality, common courtesy, faith in God and our fellow man - the value of the spoken word - have been replaced with television, SUV's, cell phones, the Internet and chat rooms. Personal character growth has been replaced with the sense that individual opinion doesn't matter, that there's no power in numbers, and that children are the true rulers of the households of parents too busy to guide them. History most certainly repeats, and America will eventually prove to be its own demise. We're like the fattened calf heading for the slaughter. (I might be off with a few things there). I would agree with everything you said except the Christian horse{censored}. If you need the threat of an all-seeing omniscient deity sending you to hell if you're bad in order to live your life as a decent person, then you've got bigger problems than non-christian worldviews. Oh and I'd say most all of htose things you mention stem not from the war and feminism and hippies, but from the industrial revolution and the mass disenfranchisement of the urban poor. THe middle class is the only thing holding society in line right now and Bush seems to be doing all he can to make the middle class suffer lately. (The tax cuts for the rich help this disparity between the rich and hte middle class and the massive debt he's putting on our shoulders is going to drag us down for several generations and that's assuming we turn it around now.)
  9. Originally posted by boogienights Prove it. Well our right to freedom of speech is limited in one way. What's to say they will not start thinking of other ways? Next thing you know we will not be allowed to dissent wit the president during war times. Then we wont be alloed to dissent wit hteh president ever. Then we wont allowed to dissent PERIOD. I'm libertarian, I'm against this on principle. you may disagree, but that's my point of view - removing our "right" to burn flags is another step in the direction of fascism and jingoism, obviously not good for a supposedly "democratic" society.
  10. Originally posted by Jarick I'm pretty sure flag burning is a hell of a lot more popular in Islamic states. Sure, how is banning it here going to prevent that? It makes no difference. Banning it under US law will do nothing but strip of us of our freedom of speech rights, the most important right we have.
  11. Originally posted by boogienights I understand that perfectly, but I still think that act should be illegal. That act really should be an exeption, I don't care if you call George Bush an asshole on CNN or write a book about how much you love sucking other guys penisis or whatever, but I feel flag burning should be an exeption, and if I see someone doing it in my presence, I will make sure they regret it. Well then.... I guess we'll never see eye to eye since we place different amounts of importance on the personal freedoms given to us. Although like I said, I'm all for vigilante justice, just like I'm all for crazy nutcase religious cults (ie southern baptists). They can do whatever they want as long as the government doesn't condone it.
  12. Originally posted by rgf Re-read your statement.....it really makes no sense.....'you are fighting for americans, not a symbol'.....very next sentence....'the flag represents liberty gained by revolution against oppressive government'....Question - If the flag 'represents' something, wouldn't that make it a symbol? Now go sit on your avatar! How can you justify outlawing one of the very things that defines our country? (flag burning)
  13. Originally posted by boogienights Like I said, nobody apreciates what they have anymore. I know a couple dangerous roads I'd like to show you. I think what we're saying is that we appreciate our right to free speech and we believe that's what makes America so great. We think banning flag-burning undermines this. I think flag-burners are assholes and vigilante justice would be fine with me! But I dotn think we need to ban it.
  14. Oh god... Robert Plant Geddy Lee Axl Rose Lemmy James Labrie
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