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  1. Get well soon AoF.  

  2. Didn’t Radiohead split the copyright of “Creep” because it had the same I III IV iv progression as a Hollies tune? Radiohead arpeggiated and sang a different melody and did a ton of other novel stuff, but they still split the copyright.... and then recently sued Lana Del Rey for using the same progression with a very similar vocal melody. Anywho, the matter of borrowing/sharing chord progressions across the centuries is a big reason why I get frustrated with lawsuits about particular rhythms. Music works largely by inspiring and sharing.
  3. Well then the whole system is totally blursted up! We need a Bernie Sanders to ride in there on a wrecking ball.... Obviously I have little understanding of all this stuff. Maybe that’s a reason I was eager to take a record deal years ago but my band mate rejected it.
  4. Right. That’s the downfall of my 21st-century, rock-o-centric line of thinking. Though... I imagine those songwriters are all writing lyrics with their melodies, so they shouldn’t be threatened by the “infinite open source melodies” in the OP, nor should they be threatened by the stupid rhythm/melody lawsuits like those that get big headlines.
  5. Hahahaha! That’s great.... I watched the first ten seasons’ episodes constantly, over and over and over again from age 11 to ~25, so they’re branded on my brain. But I’m guessing the Simpsons weren’t the first to make a “best of times” joke like that. Maybe EHX was even inspired by that line! And look at the bright side, now you’ve got me reading that review.
  6. That’s why I had said “and/or to the author connected to a specific recording” just above. I suppose that if there are songwriters who are writing but aren’t connected to a specific recording of their work, then my proposition is troublesome—though no less troublesome than what the folks in the OP are trying. And like I said, my suggestion really wouldn’t work for COMPOSERS of music that isn’t intended for a specific performer. I’m largely speaking out of my rear end here, but still just trying to express how I feel like for most pop/rock/country/techno/etc from the past 60ish years, the recordings offer a better signature of the person holding the copyright than do the notes spelled out on a staff.
  7. Although my thought here wouldn't apply to composed-but-not-recorded music, here's what I've been thinking about the pop music lawsuit business forever: Ever since we began recording music that's for sale, every recorded production imbued the music with more than just a collection of notes and rhythms. Each recording has a specific sound to it. For rock music, pop, hip hop, etc. etc., I think the "intellectual property" should relate to the recording. If a copyright pertained to a recording (and/or to the author connected to a specific recording) then these algorithmic* melodies would be meaningless. Connecting copyright to specific recordings instead of writing would cut down on any revenue made from going to bust people who are profiting off performing your music, but 1) if you're famous, people aren't going to pay to see a cover band and be just as happy as if they had seen you perform the music, and 2) is anybody really going around and policing covers anyway? *One could also add to legislation that no music arrived at by automation can be copyrighted.... Though I guess that would open up a can of worms too for those setting their auto-arpeggiators to random.
  8. (there isn't a string forum, so i thought i'd ask here) I'm trying to help a bandmate pick out an electric cello. Does anyone here have any thoughts or advice? It would be great to keep it under $2000, but on the other hand, she will be selling the excellent cello she's had for 15 years (but which would cost too much to repair), so she doesn't want to just replace it with a knockoff. The only electric cellos under $2000 right now are the Yamaha SVC50 and the very suspicious $200 logs-with-strings on ebay. Are there any cellists here with experience with the SVC50? Or can anyone suggest other options we ought to be looking at?
  9. This isn't a debate in case you haven't worked it out. If you like indie your opinion is not valid hence I do not recognise you as human, therefore you cannot debate this topic, I have already won any 'debate'. Indie is not a reference to independant labels, rather the monotonous, terrible attempts at music also known as hipster, you will know it and hate it when you hear it, if you don't do the world a favor and hang yourself. Arcadesonfire - you officially forfeited your membership to the human club. Yay! Finally, I'm alternative! I'm the alternative to a human race whose members murder one another and steal from one another, each of whom clings to his or her own ways and culture in violent opposition to others. Thank you for validating me. But honestly, you're either just joking now, pushing the envelope for kicks, or you're purposefully illustrating how people dehumanize people of another taste or culture in order that they don't have to consider their arguments, right? Anyway, what kind of music are you into?
  10. So did American settlers in the West, my friend. There still are laws on the books from the past supporting the murdering of natives in a few states out there (of course ignored for the better today, like the "6 or more Indians together is considered a raiding party and it is legal to shoot them."). Sorry for hijacking, I just get ticked when everyone points at Europe for the "command and conquer" attitude when it really occurs everywhere in history. Remember Atilla the Hun? Oh, and look up "Gnadenhutten" on Wikipedia. There's something you don't hear about in history books. Alright, I'm done. Oh i'm quite aware that invading of other people's land has gone on throughout history and continues today by people all over the world... by "Europeans," i meant people of European decent, which includes the settlers who pushed west, and that's got to be one of the most dramatic examples of invasion in history... while colonialism is to a great extent over in African and Asia, people of European decent still control North America and Australia... though, I don't know much about Asian or African history, so there may be larger examples there that didn't involve Europeans that aren't coming to my mind... ok, back to the music debate...
  11. Third, why do people get so serious about this {censored}? My theory is people need something to identify with, and if it isn't religion, and it isn't family, and it isn't nationality, it's gonna' be Nikes, iPods, and Autobots. Well, I need to head to class. I agree. People need to identify with something, and that's why i think it's very important that people understand that just because person A else doesn't identify with whatever person B identifies with doesn't mean that person A should condescend person B. With music, it's not such a big deal, but when it comes to religion, morals, economics, government etc. people are far too quick to try to eliminate what they don't identify with when instead they should first try to understand why so many other people do identify with it. I read that last line as "We all need to go to class" because a large part of liberal arts education (at least the one i had) is teaching folks how to peacefully and constructively deal with differences between people and groups.
  12. Yes, absolutely. The whole music debate always boils down to subjectivity. Word. That's progress! I've enjoyed following this thread, and it seems like many of us are on the same wavelength. I disagree with some of what was said about Radiohead up above and I'd like to propose the idea that even innovation is subjective... many 20th century musicians innovated by inventing new non-12-tone scales, but musical cultures around the world have had non-12-tone scales throughout their existence. However, bringing a sound to people who aren't used to hearing it and using that sound to evoke or illustrate emotions that are familiar to that new audience, i think that can be innovative. So Kid A used a bunch of sounds that had already been done, but they put those sounds under Thom Yorke's lyrics and voice and introduced those sounds to a new audience; i think that can be pretty bold. I love Radiohead's lyrics, and as a 14-year-old Ok Computer blew my mind and endeared me to them forever. So thanks to my positionality, whenever i see them, i get chills... NPR listeners just voted In Rainbows the best record of 2007, and i think those listeners are probably similar to me in demographics... hmmm... i've tried starting a new paragraph a few times, but i think i've lost my train of thought... and i have been at work all day, i should be working... but it's a slow day, and this is a fun thread.
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