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    I'm looking do some multitrack recording of some gigs with Logic Pro X on my Macbook Pro through a live mixer. Never attempted this before, so I have no idea how to do it. I don't have access to the mixer right now, but it's a Behringer pmp 4000 euro power 22 Channel: http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PMP4000.aspx

    I also have the previous version of this tascam interface which is basically the same: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/US16x08

    I'm not looking to just get a stereo mix, but a full multitrack mix into Logic that I can mix later. Does anyone know if that's possible from just the Behringer or do I need to get the Tascam interface involved too?

    Thanks,
    Jeff

    Boston Guitar Lessons

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    You can tap off the "Insert" on Ch 1-8, by inserting a standard 1/4" TS cable in "one click," and then going into the inputs on the Tascam.

    You'll have to get more creative w/Ch 9/10 and 11/12 - maybe use an Aux Send of one, and the unused side of the Stereo Buss?

    MG
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    • #3
      I'll add, The Tascam has six high impedance line inputs which you can probably connect directly to the inserts as Mike suggested. They also have a DB switch for impedance matching so you should be able to get a strong enough signal into those.

      Where you're going to have a problem is with all those balanced mic inputs. Those wont plug into the inserts and their signals are mic level which have high gain. If you have a pad switch to drop them to line level you'll be OK. You'll just need XLR to TS adaptors. If thay don't have pads then you got a problem. Its unlikely the mic channel gains will properly attenuate the signals on their own and give you a decent sound quality.

      You could use attenuators but good ones aren't cheap.


      What I'd do is plug the live mics into the Tascam, then use the line outs to feed the high Z channel inputs on the behringer. (buy an 8 channel TS or TRS snake) snake. Hosea makes decent inexpensive ones. You may get a little loss of live sound quality doing it this way but you'd be recording directly off the mic. The channel EQ's can make up the difference. You would have to have the Tascam set for zero latency monitoring not processed monitoring when mixing. You don't want the live sound to have a delay.

      You could also buy or make mic splitters so you're taking the signal directly off the mics and splitting it between the Mixer and the Tascam. This may reduce the signal for both the live mics and the Tascam. You have to be careful too. If they are using hand held condensers that need phantom power you wouldn't want to be supplying that phantom power from two locations.


      If you plan on doing live recordings allot, you may want to invest in your own stage mics and run them fro the instruments. Then just use the inserts on the mixer for the vocals. This is more work of course but once you build up a mic locker you'll undoubtedly want to use certain mics for recording instruments and just running your own cords up on stage is sometimes the simplest way of getting it done, especially when you run into a band that has crap PA equipment. Some powered mixers don't even have inserts so you have to be prepared for all circumstances.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jeff Williams View Post
        I'm not looking to just get a stereo mix, but a full multitrack mix into Logic that I can mix later. Does anyone know if that's possible from just the Behringer or do I need to get the Tascam interface involved too?
        Jeff, how many tracks do you want to record?
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        • Jeff Williams
          Jeff Williams commented
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          I'm looking to record as many tracks as I can. Hopefully at least 8. My Tascam Us-1800 has 8 mic inputs and 6 1/4" inputs and 4 direct outs. I play in close to 10 bands and am looking to learn how to get a multitrack recording for live shows which will have different mixers at most of them. Are the articles or books about this? I'm pretty clueless.

      • #5
        Originally posted by MarkGifford-1 View Post
        You can tap off the "Insert" on Ch 1-8, by inserting a standard 1/4" TS cable in "one click," and then going into the inputs on the Tascam.

        MG
        I tried the 'one click' technique with a TRS to TRS cable and I didn't get any signal to my Tascam US-1800 interface. Does it have to be a TS cable? If so, I was thinking about picking up this snake: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CPP802

        Just don't want to buy it to only find out it still doesn't work.
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        • #6
          Originally posted by Jeff Williams View Post

          I tried the 'one click' technique with a TRS to TRS cable and I didn't get any signal to my Tascam US-1800 interface. Does it have to be a TS cable? If so, I was thinking about picking up this snake: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CPP802

          Just don't want to buy it to only find out it still doesn't work.
          Yes it would have to be a TS because of the type of jack that's in there. The jacks are stereo. They are designed to insert an effect using the Tip and ring. The sleeve acts as a ground for both. On the other end you'd have two TS jacks, one for the tip and one for the ring and this allows you to have an input and output form an external effect.

          When you use a TS jack it doesn't break the switch contact into a send and receive, it just taps the signal like a Y jack. If you use a TRS partially in, the grounded sleeve is not long enough to make the contact to the jack and the ring is open.

          This is one of those trick items where the design was unintentional. Engineers figured out the trick long ago and have used it ever since.

          The problem is not all jacks are equal. It will work on a quality switchcraft type TRS jack without a problem. Some of these cheap plastic PC mount jacks may not work properly. I tried doing it on a small Behringer mixer and it was no go.

          As another note. Some powered mixers have a low and high input impedances tied together. You can usually tape the signal directly off the microphone just by plugging into the high impedance jack on many of them using a regular TS cable. You can buy the snakes cheap enough too. an 8 channel snake made Hosa costs about $25 and saves allot of setup time. They have molded plastic ends but they are made well. I have a couple O been using for at least 10 years now with no issues. The color coding is very handy

          This ones about 6' http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FQkPaQodjQoA4g

          This ones about 10' http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CPP803

          and 16' http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CPP805

          Just found this with metal ends for a little more.

          http://www.parts-express.com/talent-...0-ft--240-9850

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          • #7
            Thanks for all the help. I got TS cables, did the 1 click method and it worked great!
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            • #8
              Just remember if you do record other bands they may not have gear that allows that option so you want to get together some backup options fro those situations.

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