Members webe123 Posted June 21, 2019 Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 I just am having a very hard time believing this.....if this is true....then the question is...WHY GIBSON? Most of the Gibson like models dean guitars make are very old models. There is nothing new here.....If Gibson wanted to sound it's death knell they sure are doing a great job! I guess they forgot how they had their head handed to them in court when they tried to take on PRS! I thought that the new Gibson CEO understood what was at stake and how to steer Gibson away from bankruptcy....apparently not!https://guitar.com/news/industry-new...E-np1W8q-AkWhk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted June 21, 2019 Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 There is no axe fairy Jimmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members webe123 Posted June 21, 2019 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 Your post makes absolutely NO SENSE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted June 21, 2019 Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 Probably same reason you don't get Gibson's move. Looks like simple business to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Grumpy Posted June 21, 2019 Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 Didn't you see the video they put out last week? Pretty much warned those "other guitar companies" that they'd be coming after them! Looks like they weren't bluffing. Hey, is HC still owned/run by Gibson? (Based on the banner ads I'm seeing at this moment, I'm going to say yes....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Hey, is HC still owned/run by Gibson? (Based on the banner ads I'm seeing at this moment, I'm going to say yes....) Yes, HC is owned by Gibson, but functions as an editorially-neutral music industry publisher. We sell ads to many companies, and not just to Gibson (although Gibson is probably our biggest advertiser), and all of our editorial is handled by the same people who have always handled it - and again, my orders are to keep things editorially neutral - so you're free to voice your honest POV - good or bad - about Gibson here on the forums without fear of objection from the HC admins, and we're expected to give our honest POV in all of our reviews and editorials, regardless of who manufactures the product under review - although we always point out that "HC is also a Gibson Brand" whenever we are reviewing a product from any other Gibson-owned company, such as KRK, Epiphone, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted June 21, 2019 Members Share Posted June 21, 2019 Gibby will lose this one also. Just like when Fender tried to trademark it's iconic shape in the 2000's. The judge tossed it out of court saying something akin to" You've had 50 years to do this, and now you try?" The headstocks are not similar, the V shape has been copied since the 70's, same with the Explorer, 335 et al, SG, whatever, and I think it's a statement to the world, "We are Gibson, no one better F*CK with us!" Which makes them look like they are throwing a tantum. At least the lawyers will make money and buy Gibson guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted June 22, 2019 Members Share Posted June 22, 2019 Gibby will lose this one also. Just like when Fender tried to trademark it's iconic shape in the 2000's. The judge tossed it out of court saying something akin to" You've had 50 years to do this' date=' and now you try?" [b']The headstocks are not similar, the V shape has been copied since the 70's, same with the Explorer, 335 et al, SG, [/b]whatever, and I think it's a statement to the world, "We are Gibson, no one better F*CK with us!" Which makes them look like they are throwing a tantum. At least the lawyers will make money and buy Gibson guitars. Exactly. What Gibson needs to do is focus on making a great instrument. Coming out of bankruptcy I assume takes some time. Slow and steady. Fair prices. Lawyers want guitars too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted June 22, 2019 Members Share Posted June 22, 2019 Gibby will lose this one also. Just like when Fender tried to trademark it's iconic shape in the 2000's. The judge tossed it out of court saying something akin to" You've had 50 years to do this' date=' and now you try?" The headstocks are not similar, the V shape has been copied since the 70's, same with the Explorer, 335 et al, SG, whatever, and I think it's a statement to the world, "We are Gibson, no one better F*CK with us!" Which makes them look like they are throwing a tantum. At least the lawyers will make money and buy Gibson guitars.[/quote'] Notice where they filed the lawsuit. The filed in East Texas. It's known as patent heaven for patent holders. Most plaintiffs about 90%, win their cases there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted June 24, 2019 Members Share Posted June 24, 2019 i guess their sales will not go up after this, but their prices will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Grumpy Posted June 24, 2019 Members Share Posted June 24, 2019 If they win, it could be YUUUUGGGE for them. Patent trolling is a thing now, and sometimes companies are ordered to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for 'stealing' intellectual property. Because no one would have thought up screen scrolling on their own...(to use one example). Welcome to the second coming of the LOLSUIT ERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted June 24, 2019 Members Share Posted June 24, 2019 If they win, it could be YUUUUGGGE for them. Patent trolling is a thing now, and sometimes companies are ordered to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for 'stealing' intellectual property. Because no one would have thought up screen scrolling on their own...(to use one example). Welcome to the second coming of the LOLSUIT ERA. If you want to know more about how our patent system works (or doesn't work ) watch a trailer from this film [video=youtube_share;wPL-RZeRN0Q] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ghost of Darial Posted June 24, 2019 Members Share Posted June 24, 2019 Gibson would be wise to spend their energy a) sourcing the woods required to build decent guitars and b) building a well made guitar. If they did that, they would have a LOT less to worry about from their more competent competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jtr654 Posted June 25, 2019 Members Share Posted June 25, 2019 This really dosn't effect me I own 7 Gibsons the newest is a 76 RD Artist, The rest are 60's except a 1970 LP Custom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordite Posted June 25, 2019 Members Share Posted June 25, 2019 I would have thought the target would have been imports from China. East is east and west is west but once that container docks in the US its definitely west and fakes can be addressed. [ATTACH=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"FAKE.jpg","data-attachmentid":32540731}[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members webe123 Posted June 26, 2019 Author Members Share Posted June 26, 2019 I would have thought the target would have been imports from China. East is east and west is west but once that container docks in the US its definitely west and fakes can be addressed. [ATTACH=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"FAKE.jpg","data-attachmentid":32540731}[/ATTACH] Yeah I thought at least if they are gonna go after someone....it would be the fakes from China! Those are the ones I would not mind seeing less of. They copy Gibson on the headstock and everything! At least Dean does not do that! The Chinese knockoffs are more of a threat to Gibson than Dean ever would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted June 28, 2019 Members Share Posted June 28, 2019 Maybe a ray of sanity https://guitar.com/news/gibson-loses-flying-v-trademark-case-in-eu-court/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted June 28, 2019 Members Share Posted June 28, 2019 Maybe a ray of sanity https://guitar.com/news/gibson-loses...e-in-eu-court/ The EU's laws are different than ours. In this country you can sue for anything. The EU case is also different in that Gibson is asking for a jury trial here and not a judge's decision. I think the lawsuit is stupid to be honest. Why are you trying to sue a company after 40+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members webe123 Posted July 1, 2019 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2019 The EU's laws are different than ours. In this country you can sue for anything. The EU case is also different in that Gibson is asking for a jury trial here and not a judge's decision. I think the lawsuit is stupid to be honest. Why are you trying to sue a company after 40+ years. The laws may be different between the two countries, but the principal is the same. Gibson is suing a company they have let make guitars for over 30 years. I do not see them winning any cases anytime soon. I would be shocked if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted July 1, 2019 Members Share Posted July 1, 2019 The laws may be different between the two countries, but the principal is the same. Gibson is suing a company they have let make guitars for over 30 years. I do not see them winning any cases anytime soon. I would be shocked if they did. All you have to do is get 12 stupid people on a jury and anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted July 1, 2019 Members Share Posted July 1, 2019 Found this downstairs in CJ. https://www.musicradar.com/news/gibson-shifts-from-confrontation-to-collaboration-in-copycat-row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted July 2, 2019 Members Share Posted July 2, 2019 Sounds like they want Dean and others to pay a licensing fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJ6stringsting Posted July 2, 2019 Members Share Posted July 2, 2019 Dean has made their versions of the V and Explorer since 1977 .... What took Gibson too long ?Back in 1983, I cut fire lines for the U.S. Forestry Service and decided, ' I'm going to get myself a Flying V", the salesman was trying to influence me to get a Dean, but my mind was set, it had to be a Gibson !!!!. I got a 1971 Gibson Medallion Series V. Gibson should solve the snapping headstock issue and bring back the valute on the back of the headstock for the sake of stability.And do inovations to the Les Paul , like rounding off the back of the heel where it joins the body to get easier access to the higher frets.Have Floyd Rose equipped guitars too or locking tuners or roller bridges . I saw the video and was kind of shocked.When I saw the new CEO speaking of relaunching Gibson to a new era, I was elated.But the guy who did the bully video made me like a 500 pound woman sat on me after a huge meal .... Very unsettling !!!!I hope they can come to their senses, get back to innovating and get along better with the Guitar Building Community.I really think the guitar playing community kinda got sap poured on its head by that "Bullying Video". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted July 2, 2019 Members Share Posted July 2, 2019 New guys. New accountants. New investors. New economy. Pick a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Gibson should solve the snapping headstock issue and bring back the valute on the back of the headstock for the sake of stability. I'll take a guess on this one - volutes are not universally loved. Some folks dislike them because they weren't original spec on the classic-era Gibsons, and others think they don't really help much anyway. And this isn't an issue with just Gibsons - any guitar with an angled headstock has the same basic combination of advantages (increased downpressure at the nut / more sustain) and disadvantages. And do inovations to the Les Paul , like rounding off the back of the heel where it joins the body to get easier access to the higher frets. Have Floyd Rose equipped guitars too or locking tuners or roller bridges . Gibson has offered both of those features on various models - including some that are currently available. The rounded neck heel is available on any guitar with a "soloist" neck - they have the "fast access" heel joint. Here's a link to a guitar that has both the fast access heel and a Floyd. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPXS7DCRCF1--gibson-custom-les-paul-axcess-standard-figured-top-floyd-rose-dc-rust The thing is, while some players like innovation and improvements, many want things left as they were on the 50's / 60's era instruments... Gibson will never make everyone happy with one single model - which is why they offer choices / options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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