Members mbengs1 Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 of my guitars standing by the walls fell kinda like a domino effect and hit my Epiphone that was on a stand and it fell on my pedalboard case. the nut at the 6th string broke off and has a small crack. I fixed this with super glue though and now the guitar plays better. haha. I don't think the guitar will need luthier attention but maybe in the future. The other 4 guitars are ok. no damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 A one man disaster area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Be thankful it didn't fall on its back. If it had, you'd probably have a headstock break to worry about instead of a broken nut. Sorry to hear your guitar was damaged. Hopefully you'll now come up with a better way of safely storing them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 I have never leaned my guitars against the wall. They either go into proper stands or they go back into there proper cases. I have heard of many disasters about Gibson headstocks breaking from a fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 They sound better afterwards [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","height":"599","width":"799","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/Epi%20headstock%20repair\/IMG_1589_zps54e8f23b.jpg"}[/img2] I figure if someone is stupid enough to leave their guitars out sitting on a stand or leaning up against the wall I'm happy to take their money and fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordite Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 If the tuning slips flat over the next few days look out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jtr654 Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danocoustic Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hope you never want to swap out that nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted August 1, 2018 Moderators Share Posted August 1, 2018 ^ THIS...cased or in a stand...there is no other logical option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeepEnd Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hope you never want to swap out that nut. If he just glued the two pieces together he'll be fine. Normally you'd use Elmer's or Titebond to hold a nut in place but one or two small drops of superglue will do nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danocoustic Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 If he just glued the two pieces together he'll be fine. Normally you'd use Elmer's or Titebond to hold a nut in place but one or two small drops of superglue will do nicely. Near impossible not to get it on the end grain of the fretboard or on the neck. If he removed the nut, glued it back together with cyanoacrylate, then reattached it with alyphatic resin, all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 FWIW I frequently use two very small drops of CA to hold a nut in place. An easy tap and it comes right out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danocoustic Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 FWIW, I've had tearout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 1, 2018 Members Share Posted August 1, 2018 Yeah, best would be hhg but I'm not going to fire up the pot just for one nut I'll add that I've have tear out with whatever factories (or the previous guy) used, every one that I've put in with CA has come right out with a little block of wood and a tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 Life's a b*tch. DON'T lean them against the wall, or you will have this happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 They sound better afterwards [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","height":"599","width":"799","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/Epi%20headstock%20repair\/IMG_1589_zps54e8f23b.jpg"}[/img2] I figure if someone is stupid enough to leave their guitars out sitting on a stand or leaning up against the wall I'm happy to take their money and fix it That's what I have heard. My luthier says he had made a nice living repairing Gibson headstocks over the past 4 decades. He tells me that sound better afterwards. I'm sure the luthier I use would rather be building instruments, but you need to work while the glue dries on a build. My luthier does a lot of skiing and biking in the summer. I leaned my J185 against the bed one time, it slide and nicked the top of the headstock. It wasn't that big of a dent and I freaked out. Now the top is super polished where Gibson was a bit quick to send this one out. If I was in QC at Gibson I would have sent it back to the buffing room for another few minutes. I still have the guitar too. It's the first year of the J185 that came out in the 90's and a 25-30 year absence of that model. the folks up in Bozeman did some really nice work. I have 2 other instruments from that plant. They look like this, for folks that are unfamiliar with them. Maple Back and sides. mine is pretty flamy maple back and sides too. I have seen them without the Maltese crosses on the saddle. That's not right, that's cheap. It's like a Gibson Dove with a plain pickguard and no tweety birds on the bridge.. Ain't right. [ATTACH=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"J88VVSNH1-Finish-Shot.jpg","data-attachmentid":32289049}[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 You're lucky it wasn't a Gibson. The Epiphones are not as susceptible to the classic Gibson headstock break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 You're lucky it wasn't a Gibson. The Epiphones are not as susceptible to the classic Gibson headstock break. I don't see how that could be the case - any guitar with a similar type of pitched-back headstock, made out of the same materials, and that have the same type of headstock joint is probably going to be equally susceptible to damage if enough force is applied. I'm just as cautious with my Epiphones as I am with my Gibsons. They all can break if they're dropped or struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humbuckerstrat Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 Get a Strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 I'm no expert but most of the Epiphones that I have seen use a separate piece of wood (at the end of the neck) for the headstock. The grain runs parallel to the headstock which I believe give it more strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 I believe it is the string tension combined with a mechanical shock that breaks the Gibson headstocks. I've witnessed many breaks over the years - some of which have happened while the guitars were in their cases. I agree that they can all break if dropped or struck but, from what I have seen, it takes more of an impact to break a non-Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 2, 2018 Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 If that is true then what you say is true. A scarf joint is way stronger than an neck cut out of one piece of wood for exactly the reason you say - the grain is now running at an angle to the breaking force. I didn't realize that Epiphone had gone to all scarf joined necks - the one in my picture above certainly was not. FWIW - I happen to make all my necks with a scarf joined headstock, not only is it stronger but it is far less wasteful of wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbengs1 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Members Share Posted August 2, 2018 You're lucky it wasn't a Gibson. The Epiphones are not as susceptible to the classic Gibson headstock break. It was bad luck. 5 guitars falling at once. shit man, that is really malas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted August 3, 2018 Members Share Posted August 3, 2018 Quote Onelife "I believe it is the string tension combined with a mechanical shock that breaks the Gibson headstocks. I've witnessed many breaks over the years - some of which have happened while the guitars were in their cases. I agree that they can all break if dropped or struck but, from what I have seen, it takes more of an impact to break a non-Gibson." The only guitars that I can think of that aren't prone to breaking at the base of the headstock are Fenders - the slab head is just a continuation of the neck grain and there is no weakness in that area. Everything else has the potential to break. Some things that can mitigate it are the scarfed head which we've already touched on, a back strap or volute can strengthen the back of the neck, moving the truss rod adjuster out of the head can help a lot. But this is just a small collection of pictures of instruments that I've fixed - I would say that broken heads are my second most common failure. Ibanez [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/IMG_3386_zpss8yiyj2h.jpg"}[/img2] Epiphone Yamaha [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/IMG_2012_zps0dd7031a.jpg"}[/img2] Some days you get two [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/IMG_1355_zpsaeae0ee6.jpg"}[/img2] A classical guitar with only a 100 pounds of tension [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/Epi%20headstock%20repair\/IMG_1494_zps53148a41.jpg"}[/img2] Guild 12 string [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/IMG_3411_zpslmaxlipq.jpg"}[/img2] A samishin [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/IMG_3193_zpsyo5icntd.jpg"}[/img2] Mexican vihehula [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/Mexican%20vihuela\/IMG_3728_zpssn0pdzre.jpg"}[/img2] and a headless banjo [img2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i51.photobucket.com\/albums\/f387\/Freeman_Keller\/Repairs\/Headless%20banjo\/IMG_3650_zps1a2sjvck.jpg"}[/img2] There are a couple of things in common, all of those broke along the short grain of the angled headstock, each could have been prevented. I don't care, I'll take your money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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