Phil O'Keefe Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I knew Standards were getting really expensive, but '57 Goldtops are at six figures now too? Did I miss the memo? https://reverb.com/item/4209723-gibson-goldtop-1957-100-original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Les Paul Lover Posted February 10, 2017 Members Share Posted February 10, 2017 The shipping is pretty fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 The shipping is pretty fair. I'd expect the actual shipping to cost a lot more... if I was going to drop $130k on a guitar, I'd be flying out to pick it up in person, and I'd be buying a seat for it on the flight home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 I'd expect the actual shipping to cost a lot more... if I was going to drop $130k on a guitar, I'd be flying out to pick it up in person, and I'd be buying a seat for it on the flight home. You ain't kiddin there. I think Henry could make me one for a fraction of that price and I wouldn't know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humbuckerstrat Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 Looks like it has a ton of mojo, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 You ain't kiddin there. I think Henry could make me one for a fraction of that price and I wouldn't know the difference. Craig Anderton recently made a similar comment about not wanting a '59 Les Paul... actually, he'd take one, turn around and sell it and buy a custom shop reproduction... and pocket a tidy sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Looks like it has a ton of mojo, tho. It does have that in terms of looks. I wonder if it has similar playability and sonic mojo going on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 I love how on the same page there's the Reverb pricing guide, which says '57 Goldtops range from about $65k - $85k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluesmann Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 I've seen them at Norman's rare guitars on youtube, A 100 grand sounds about right. Not my money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AlamoJoe Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 I'm no expert...But given the condition of the rest of the guitar, those saddles can't be original. Probably not a big deal I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 The zipper's a deal breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeepEnd Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 Not for me even if I could afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 The zipper's a deal breaker. That's what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Les Paul Lover Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just had a look at it, I doubt the fret work is original. I love how they described it as being in good condition.... It's pretty beat up imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted February 11, 2017 Members Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just because they're asking that doesn't meant their getting that. I don't believe even real 59's are still up at that value. Probably some collector who bought high during the bubble and now is desperate. And geez...give me a break with the bottle of jack near the couch.....how cheezy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted February 12, 2017 Members Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yeah, I got an e-mail from them that featured that guitar. You'd have to have an incredible amount of disposable income to justify that over spending just a few grand on a top notch Custom Shop reissue. We've certainly all seen the volatility in the "collectible guitar" market. So "investment value" could be "iffy", so you're left with assuming there's some magic mojo in the original mahogany sourcing or the hand wound p'ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikeo Posted February 12, 2017 Members Share Posted February 12, 2017 I saw this on on REVERB too. https://reverb.com/item/2933713-gibson-les-paul-standard-1960 Not many pics, but I think Henry could build me something just as nice. Not that I don't have any love for vintage gear, but with a price like that there's plenty of options. One could own a fleet of guitars from the Gibson/Fender/ Martin/ Gretsch and other custom shops. You have money left over, say for a good psychiatrist. Hey, if you got the coin for something like this, more power to ya. https://reverb.com/item/2933713-gibson-les-paul-standard-1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yeah, I was all ready to hit the buy button until I saw that the zipper had been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 I don't believe even real 59's are still up at that value. If you have a real, 100% original 1959 Les Paul Standard, you'd be a fool to sell it for what they're asking for that '57 Goldtop. In fact, if it's in half-way decent original condition you'd be able to get twice what they're asking for the Goldtop. The current price range for '58 - '60 Standards on Reverb is $180k - $595k. Admittedly the high priced one is probably overpriced (even if it may have been the very last 1960 LPS made), but they can go even higher in cases where they were owned by famous musicians. https://reverb.com/p/gibson-les-paul...urst-1958-1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted February 12, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2017 I knew Standards were getting really expensive, but '57 Goldtops are at six figures now too? Did I miss the memo? https://reverb.com/item/4209723-gibson-goldtop-1957-100-original check your inbox...here's one for a cool quarter million...https://reverb.com/item/3462137-gibson-les-paul-standard-1957-goldtop?gclid=CjwKEAiArIDFBRCe_9DJi6Or0UcSJAAK1nFvqWrAI73on_ZB-G_O9lnweswCp8_JpQVSB8_w0jEHtRoCPX3w_wcB&pla=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted February 13, 2017 Members Share Posted February 13, 2017 If you have a real, 100% original 1959 Les Paul Standard, you'd be a fool to sell it for what they're asking for that '57 Goldtop. In fact, if it's in half-way decent original condition you'd be able to get twice what they're asking for the Goldtop. The current price range for '58 - '60 Standards on Reverb is $180k - $595k. Admittedly the high priced one is probably overpriced (even if it may have been the very last 1960 LPS made), but they can go even higher in cases where they were owned by famous musicians. https://reverb.com/p/gibson-les-paul...urst-1958-1960 Again...what they're asking and what they're getting are two different things. I don't believe for a second the market has returned to the bubble prices as that suggests. I'd bet the vast majority of those guitars are consignments by people who got absolutely slaughtered when they bought them for those prices back in the bubble era, and now they are desperate not to loose money. Funny thing is we never get to see confirmed actual selling prices. Those always "remain private". A couple of years ago Gruhn had a 59 on their site for under 200K (like 175K or so if I remember correctly) and it was up there for at least two years straight. No way it even sold for that much. The vintage market is all hype. It's in everyone's interests to over value it and not put out what they are actually selling for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UlfHansson Posted February 13, 2017 Members Share Posted February 13, 2017 And geez...give me a break with the bottle of jack near the couch.....how cheezy.... Embarrassing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 check your inbox...here's one for a cool quarter million...https://reverb.com/item/3462137-gibson-les-paul-standard-1957-goldtop?gclid=CjwKEAiArIDFBRCe_9DJi6Or0UcSJAAK1nFvqWrAI73on_ZB-G_O9lnweswCp8_JpQVSB8_w0jEHtRoCPX3w_wcB&pla=1 That one looks like it's in MUCH better condition, but $250k? Way too much. As has already been pointed out, they can ask whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they're going to get what they're asking for it. One thing I always wonder about when I see a sixty year old guitar that looks that flawless is whether or not it plays or sounds any good. Good sounding / playing guitars tend to get played a lot. Occasionally a good one will be forgotten about and left sitting in a case under a bed for decades and then be rediscovered, but that's pretty rare anymore... so you have to wonder, was this a less desirable guitar from a player's standpoint - is that why it still looks so good? Might be cool for the collectors (who generally aren't going to be playing them) but for a musician, it kind of misses the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted February 13, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2017 Yeah, my first reaction upon seeing that was it was a closet dust collector... y'know, the guy got it for a graduation gift, got drafted, wound up getting 'offed in Nam' kind of thing...a sad but sometimes told tale of our generation. Or Uncle George ordered it for his 65th birthday and had a heart attack the day before it arrived. It looks unplayed, still has all the paperwork in the case, and has the zippered case cover in unused condition. Certainly a remarkable find.The price is totally ridiculous, especially considering that it was not owned or played by anyone famous, and frankly even Reverb's top end valuation at 85k seems outrageous...it is a guitar, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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