Members orbm1 Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 So I found a Cort Fly V in local craigslist for $150 (obo) I first offer a trade for an amp I do not use anymore.... He replied, "no thanks"... then I made a lowball offer ($75) looking for a counter offer.... He got aggraviatted.... I tried to talk start the negociating again asking for the lowest price he could go for and for better pics and his answer was again full of attitude... Here is the transcript of the emails: Me: I have an amp that I could trade for your guitar.... interested? Thanks http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/148.html The guitar in the post it is not up for trade, only the amp.... thanks! His reply: No thanks!!!! So I replied: ok... no problem... would you take $75 for it? His reply: Come on man get real!!!! you must be like the majority of the people in this world do ya want this for nothing????? what i listed it for it's worth every penny, and you should probably go price a new one. a cort a new flying v sorry pal you couldn't touch a new v for under $400.00 come on get with it, im not about to give away for $75.00 sorry pal!!!!!! I understood I could have been a little offensive with my low ball offer so I replied this: Pal, Chill out... you just can say, no thank you and counter offer... I am not expecting you to give it away either, I am looking for a good price on a guitar I do not need, just pure impulse buying.... if you want to get firm price do not write: 'or best offer".... One thing, do not generalize, I do not know you and you do not know me...... I work hard to make a living and to make every penny I have..... anyways..... Let's try this again: What would be the lowest you could go? and do you have any better pictures of it? Thanks His answer: Don't ya suppose if ya need a good look at any guitar you should probably get in your car and look at something with your own eyes??? that you may or may not want to purchase??? come on man it's a no brainer here it's not rocket science, and to answer your question NO i don't have any picture's of the back of this v and if i was in your shoes i personally take a good look at it with my own eyes not what ya see just with a picture. and i really can't emphise this v its worth every penny of the $150.00 and no im not taking anything less than $150.00 for this v and no trades also I really got frustated, so I replied this: ok... I am really interested in the guitar and I have the $150... but your attitude is really killing the deal.... of course I would like to check it out with my own eyes.... but good pics could help in the meantime.... and I never ask for pictures of the back of the guitar.... just better pictures to see what I was gonna spend my money on.... sorry pal...you just lost the sale.... Hopefully you have better luck with other people... but, change your attitude... if not you are going to end up selling that guitar for pennies.... take care... His last reply (Which I am not planning to respond): ok cool with me, personally i won't be loosing any sleep over the fact you don't want to buy my guitar. the way i look at this life go's on, and youre not the only person in michigan that's looking for a guitar What do you guys think? Thanks Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 What do you guys think? Thanks Omar I think it sounds like Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricEye Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 What do you guys think? Thanks Omar I think I want my click and the last minute of my life back! Why waste your time on stupid {censored} like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think it sounds like Detroit. at least it does not sound like Kalamazoo! Just kidding!!! Thanks, you made me smile.... Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fw190 Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Definitely write back. It looks like you're starting to wear him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slashfacepalm Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mediocreplayer Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 i think you have too much time on your hands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar Heel Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 People that accept offers on eBay are the exact same way. Of course you're going to lowball them, that's how bargaining starts. It never fails. They say, make an offer. I do, and it's declined with no counter (or with an angry email). If you're firm on a price, then list it as such and drop the attitude... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members benricci Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think after you lowballed him and he took offense, you should have left it alone and walked or made another realistic offer. Instead, you lectured him. If I were the seller, I would have said to {censored} off at that point. Agreed. Dude, just let it go. Even though you're not gonna want to believe this, you're the one who caused it to escalate. He didn't want your amp. He didn't want your really {censored}ty offer. And YOUR attitude wasn't helping to smooth over the situation, either. You turned it into a lecture and came across as having an "I don't need you, you need ME, pal" attitude. Get over yourself. You're both jerks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrCompton Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 probably a stolie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 i think you have too much time on your hands... Today is my day off that I actually decided to chill and look for some "GAS impulse buying" Thanks Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brandass Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Definitely write back. It looks like you're starting to wear him down. Pure genius! I've been on both sides of similar scenarios, and sympathize more with the OP than the seller, who could use a 'tude tweak. Photos in particular - in a lot of cases I'm looking at 30-60min drives to see the axe, a couple of close-ups can save both of us time and energy, they may already be in-pocket, and they can be added to the ad to facilitate sale to others as well. Worth an ask. Bottom line: ad phrases like "firm" and "no trades" go a long way in heading off unnecessary e-mails/calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Agreed. Dude, just let it go. Even though you're not gonna want to believe this, you're the one who caused it to escalate. He didn't want your amp. He didn't want your really {censored}ty offer. And YOUR attitude wasn't helping to smooth over the situation, either. You turned it into a lecture and came across as having an "I don't need you, you need ME, pal" attitude. Get over yourself. You're both jerks. A lecture? ok... Saying to him to stop the generalization and to negociate is a lecture? I even said to start everything over asking for His best offer and for better pictures..... is that part of the lecture too? and yes.... HE needs to sell the guitar, I do not need to buy it..... anyways... Thanks for your input.... Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Pure genius! I've been on both sides of similar scenarios, and sympathize more with the OP than the seller, who could use a 'tude tweak. Photos in particular - in a lot of cases I'm looking at 30-60min drives to see the axe, a couple of close-ups can save both of us time and energy, they may already be in-pocket, and they can be added to the ad to facilitate sale to others as well. Worth an ask. Bottom line: ad phrases like "firm" and "no trades" go a long way in heading off unnecessary e-mails/calls. Thanks And I just researched his ad and he has removed the "or best offer", also, in his ad he did not write anthing about "No trades." I am not a fortune teller... Thanks again Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnnyRaincheck Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 He sounds like a weenie but he probably has several other lowball offers and various Nigerian scams to contend with along with your e-mails. Posting {censored} on Craigslist is a landmine field these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SeanJovi Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think you made a good decision by not taking the deal. I wouldn't want to step foot in that guy's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axegrinder Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 If you've ever listed a guitar on Craigslist you'd probably understand the dude's frustration. The exchange went to {censored} when you told him to "chill out". Telling somebody to "chill out" almost always has the opposite effect. If you wanted to know how low the guy would go you should have just asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stricken Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Yeah. He needs help. Or better offer, firm price! WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kellanium Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think it sounds like Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shaun126 Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 OBO does not mean "feel free to low ball me for half my asking price". If at any point, you feel like offering half what someone is asking is cool, you suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chaos2767 Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 fuk it! tell him that his axe is not worth the 75 that you offered and you were buying it because you felt sorry for him and then see what he sais! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TmPn Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Offer him $65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duke Spinner Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 he wasted a lot more time on You, than I wooda ..after yer second email, it woulda been fuk off time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitarist970 Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 There's a certain point where negotiations start and I've always viewed that as about 70% of the starting offer. You went 50%, I would view that as someone trying to lowball me and scam me out of my guitar and would probably take offense to it as well. I'd say $100 would have been a better starting point for you, at least keep it in the triple digits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orbm1 Posted December 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 There's a certain point where negotiations start and I've always viewed that as about 70% of the starting offer. You went 50%, I would view that as someone trying to lowball me and scam me out of my guitar and would probably take offense to it as well. I'd say $100 would have been a better starting point for you, at least keep it in the triple digits. Thanks! I accept, I should have started the negotiation at $100.... but I thought maybe offering $75 and he was going to reply around $125 and I would have accepted....or maybe accept the $75... I have had situations where people accept those kind of low offers... Now... I did not know that "chill out" was going to have such a bad impact to this guy (or anybody else for that matter) I have learned a lot of idioms (in English) and I thought I was using that one correctly.... Now, I do sell stuff on craigslist and people sends low ball offer all the times, I usually reply in the lines of: "No thanks, but I could do ($$$)" And I am not saying that I was or was not wrong... I just thought that the guy had an attitude, but maybe I did too without even noticed it! Thanks Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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