Members Bbreaker Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 So I'm reading the chart and I hit my intro chord on the 4/4 to wake this guy up.............he doesn't snap to the correct time and continues to do what he wants. We're playing live, so I go with him and the singer is having a bit of a struggle with the lyric time.After, I approach him and renew the time signature issue. He tells me that this is the way it's done. Don't read the chart....just follow.This is the church group and the deacon leading us in this music doesn't have a clue. He doesn't want to do it correct. It's his way.BTW, he tells me that I threw him off time.This has happened before with other tunes.I'm a stickler for doing things right.I think I'm gonna bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 sounds like he's in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpiritOfTheAge Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 May create some interesting interactions with the melodies, then again maybe not . I'd bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 don't you guys rehearse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alecto Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 You're not going to win this one. I was in a similar situation, and I got out as fast as I could. Plenty of other churches out there; I'd say bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members budalash Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 4*3=12...so, he's on the beat every 4th bar...that's pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 Sounds like the guy is in over his head and won't admit it. If you offered help and he refused it's time to walk away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shoeless Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 Originally Posted by budalash 4*3=12...so, he's on the beat every 4th bar...that's pretty good ..or just go with 12/4 time and make everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 sori in advansshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn94dEpKGFw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BydoEmpire Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 If the band leader wants to do an arrangement in 3:4 and it's been rehearsed and works, then that's cool. If he's suddenly springing a change like that on everyone (especially the rhythm section and singer!) without prior warning, that's pretty crappy. He tells me that this is the way it's done. Don't read the chart....just follow That's not necessarily a bad thing if the band is on their toes and informed ahead of time what it's going to be. A guitarist can follow along and change things up on the fly pretty easily, but everyone has to be on board and play together regardless what the chart says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mockchoi Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 Might be annoying. I don't know though...it's supposed to be music, which is supposed to be about communication, not strictly following notes on a page. I played in a country band last year in which the leader would do different arrangements or keys based on his mood. It did get annoying once in awhile, but it was mostly fun, and I learned a lot about playing with other people by doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arr0wHead Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 4:3 - is it a Meshuggah song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bbreaker Posted November 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 The guy doesn't want to improve.We have a song that's in 6/8 time and he doesn't want me to do the intro (yes, I do it as written)...............he wants to start it, which is iffy.He tells me, "I throw him off"Last week, he paid me a good compliment......he said, that "you're a musician". As far as rehearsals go, I get an e mail of the songs the night before and we rehash them the next morning 60 to 45 minutes before the mass........He tells me that when I'm the only guitarist, "you can play music as written.......the singer can adapt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ancient Mariner Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 Tricky. I always try not to play what's written if i can help it, but that's a conscious choice. However if you've got a band with some that must follow the music ('must' for any reason not related to ability) then following too is the only option unless you're willing to rescore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nicholai Posted November 26, 2012 Members Share Posted November 26, 2012 I'd simply say the Lord liketh the way you play, he told you so and if you have to stop, the lord thinketh maybe another church could benefit from your innate god given skills. =P good to seeya BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bbreaker Posted November 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 Originally Posted by nicholai I'd simply say the Lord liketh the way you play, he told you so and if you have to stop, the lord thinketh maybe another church could benefit from your innate god given skills.=P good to seeya BB. Diplomatic & respectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 I don't play worship music (and probably never will), but I think it stands with most bands that a certain amount of improvisation is going to be acceptable (or not, depending on the band leader), but playing in a different time signature when it's not rehearsed that way? Train wreck. If you feel a connection to the group or the congregation, maybe try to work it out or go over his head if you have to. Otherwise, just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slideroni Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 Ya gotta pray on it. 4/4 and 3/4 time can be played together- but that's not the situation you're talking about. I think the Lord wants you to be in a comfortable situation where you can really musically dig your teeth in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 I've never been in a church band but I've rarely heard from people in them that they actually rehearse. Perhaps rehearsals sabotage the spiritual enlightenment of the moment idk. Definitely not for me. Even if I was the church-going type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ajympt Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner Tricky. I always try not to play what's written if i can help it, but that's a conscious choice. However if you've got a band with some that must follow the music ('must' for any reason not related to ability) then following too is the only option unless you're willing to rescore it. I agree-that approach might be fine in some settings, but honestly if you are trying to play songs that people know a certain way and want to sing along with, and you have very limited rehearsal time, you really do need to more or less follow the music of you dont want to sound like crap - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members straycat113 Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 You should just start playing Manic Depression over him which is in 3/4 time which is a Waltz by the way lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 You ever watch a band and you just know that the bassist is playing the wrong note? And then you go watch the same band a few weeks later and the same wrong note is being played? (and it's not a case of not understanding the dissonance or whatever, he's playing G natural instead of G sharp and everybody else is in E major) Annoying. That was yesterday for me. You should just start playing Manic Depression over him which is in 3/4 time which is a Waltz by the way lol.3/4 doesn't make it a waltz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrockbridge Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 Manic Depression sounds like a waltz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted November 27, 2012 Members Share Posted November 27, 2012 I've had a few tryouts on bass with new bands where the guitarist/singer plays the same rhythm regardless of the song. It's OK because the drummer usually can't keep time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ajympt Posted November 28, 2012 Members Share Posted November 28, 2012 You ever watch a band and you just know that the bassist is playing the wrong note?And then you go watch the same band a few weeks later and the same wrong note is being played?(and it's not a case of not understanding the dissonance or whatever, he's playing G natural instead of G sharp and everybody else is in E major)Annoying. That was yesterday for me.3/4 doesn't make it a waltz! I feel your pain- my brother used to play the wrong notes when our band was together and then give us some bull{censored} about playing behind the changes- mostly sounded like the bass player hadn't bothered to learn the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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