Members The Dog Boy Posted November 17, 2009 Members Share Posted November 17, 2009 I am looking for a "stand alone" MIDI expression pedal....all the pedals I have found so far are always part of a huge floorboard...such as the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller. Either that or they are just "analog" expression pedals that plug into a 1/4" jack on the back of another unit that transmits MIDI. I just need a pedal with it's own MIDI in/out/thru jacks that will transmit MIDI controller messages,(volume in particular). I don't have the space or the need for a complete floorboard. Any recommendations? I recently purchased a Sonuus G2M universal guitar to MIDI converter, and I would like to use it in conjunction with a pedal for more expressive capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted November 17, 2009 Members Share Posted November 17, 2009 http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller The Pedal Controller accepts an expression pedal (such as the Yamaha FC7 or Roland EV-5 or any potentiometer connected to a 1/4" stereo phone plug) as an input and generates continuous MIDI data based on its position. The Pedal Controller may be inserted inline at any point in the MIDI data stream, allowing you to send continuous controller information to any device in your MIDI setup. The Pedal Controller's factory default settings are for it to send CC#7 (volume) on MIDI channel 1, so if this is what you need the Pedal Controller to do then no programming is necessary - just insert the Pedal Controller in your setup and it's ready to use. The Pedal Controller can also be programmed to send other types of MIDI messages, for more info read on... The Pedal Controller can be programmed to send: * Aftertouch * Pitch Bend * Control Change * System Exclusive The Pedal Controller has a MIDI Echo parameter that is selectable on/off. The Pedal Controller accurately tracks the position of the pedal or potentiometer connected to it. Small fluctuations are eliminated when the pedal is in a stationary position and no extraneous messages are sent out. When the pedal is moved slightly, the Pedal Controller will send an update even if its position has only changed by a single value. Many control wheels or knobs only update themselves every two or every four values, resulting in coarser control, and sometimes zipper noise. Another unique feature of the Pedal Controller is its ability to add a variable amount of curvature to the response of the pedal. This allows you to correct for pedals with nonlinear responses, or to add greater response at one end of the pedal compared to the other. The Pedal Controller is programmed by sending it MIDI System Exclusive messages (see FAQs - Programming). Once programmed, its settings are retained even after power is removed. The Pedal Controller can be reprogrammed with new settings as often as needed. The Pedal Controller's factory default settings are for it to send CC #7 (volume) on MIDI channel 1, with the Echo parameter set to ON. The Pedal Controller is MIDI-powered, and requires no batteries or power supply to operate with most MIDI products (see FAQs - Power and FAQs - LED for more information). A MIDI indicator LED lights up when the product is powered and flashes when MIDI data passes through it. weight: 4.1 oz. dimensions: 4-3/16" x 2-3/16" x 1-3/32" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller The Pedal Controller accepts an expression pedal (such as the Yamaha FC7 or Roland EV-5 or any potentiometer connected to a 1/4" stereo phone plug) as an input and generates continuous MIDI data based on its position. The Pedal Controller may be inserted inline at any point in the MIDI data stream, allowing you to send continuous controller information to any device in your MIDI setup. The Pedal Controller's factory default settings are for it to send CC#7 (volume) on MIDI channel 1, so if this is what you need the Pedal Controller to do then no programming is necessary - just insert the Pedal Controller in your setup and it's ready to use. The Pedal Controller can also be programmed to send other types of MIDI messages, for more info read on... The Pedal Controller can be programmed to send: * Aftertouch * Pitch Bend * Control Change * System Exclusive The Pedal Controller has a MIDI Echo parameter that is selectable on/off. The Pedal Controller accurately tracks the position of the pedal or potentiometer connected to it. Small fluctuations are eliminated when the pedal is in a stationary position and no extraneous messages are sent out. When the pedal is moved slightly, the Pedal Controller will send an update even if its position has only changed by a single value. Many control wheels or knobs only update themselves every two or every four values, resulting in coarser control, and sometimes zipper noise. Another unique feature of the Pedal Controller is its ability to add a variable amount of curvature to the response of the pedal. This allows you to correct for pedals with nonlinear responses, or to add greater response at one end of the pedal compared to the other. The Pedal Controller is programmed by sending it MIDI System Exclusive messages (see FAQs - Programming). Once programmed, its settings are retained even after power is removed. The Pedal Controller can be reprogrammed with new settings as often as needed. The Pedal Controller's factory default settings are for it to send CC #7 (volume) on MIDI channel 1, with the Echo parameter set to ON. The Pedal Controller is MIDI-powered, and requires no batteries or power supply to operate with most MIDI products (see FAQs - Power and FAQs - LED for more information). A MIDI indicator LED lights up when the product is powered and flashes when MIDI data passes through it. weight: 4.1 oz. dimensions: 4-3/16" x 2-3/16" x 1-3/32" This looks pretty good! Since it requires no batteries or power supply and is MIDI-powered, does that mean it would receive it's power from the Sonuus G2M that I have? The signal chain would be as follows: Guitar-Sonuus G2M-MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller-Computer....would that work? Thanks for the quick response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted November 18, 2009 Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 yes http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSLPEDCONTROL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted November 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2009 Looking at the "going rate" for the Midi Solutions Pedal Controller here in the UK...the average price is about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted November 20, 2009 Members Share Posted November 20, 2009 Buy UsedOld Zoom 8050 is small, and $40 used. I have the Manual linkhttp://www.zoom.co.jp/archive/Previous_Model/M_8050.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted November 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2009 Buy Used Old Zoom 8050 is small, and $40 used. I have the Manual link http://www.zoom.co.jp/archive/Previous_Model/M_8050.pdf Doesn't look like there is any expression pedal at all on that unit...only footswitches. Price is really good though It just seems that since I already spent approx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted November 20, 2009 Members Share Posted November 20, 2009 Most just get a used Roland GR-20 and GK3A combo for $250 off ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted November 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 Most just get a used Roland GR-20 and GK3A combo for $250 off ebay. How does the tracking on the Roland synths compare with, let's say, the Axon AX100 or AX50? I don't really have any need for internal sounds on whatever set-up I end up buying because I am just going it in the studio to drive VST synths/samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members handen Posted November 23, 2009 Members Share Posted November 23, 2009 How does the tracking on the Roland synths compare with, let's say, the Axon AX100 or AX50?I don't really have any need for internal sounds on whatever set-up I end up buying because I am just going it in the studio to drive VST synths/samples. IT DOESN'T! I had the GR-20 and now own an AX-50 because the GR-20's MIDI-out might as well not even be recognized as a main feature because it's so horrible. The AX-50 is great for reaction time (next to 0 lag) but they all suffer from horrible ground-loop interference if you're using the instrument-out port as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members handen Posted November 23, 2009 Members Share Posted November 23, 2009 I am looking for a "stand alone" MIDI expression pedal....all the pedals I have found so far are always part of a huge floorboard...such as the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller. Either that or they are just "analog" expression pedals that plug into a 1/4" jack on the back of another unit that transmits MIDI. I just need a pedal with it's own MIDI in/out/thru jacks that will transmit MIDI controller messages,(volume in particular). I don't have the space or the need for a complete floorboard. Any recommendations?I recently purchased a Sonuus G2M universal guitar to MIDI converter, and I would like to use it in conjunction with a pedal for more expressive capability. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/stealthpedal/features/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted November 23, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2009 http://www.ikmultimedia.com/stealthpedal/features/ Wow! this looks like a contender...to say the least. A really good all in one solution. Thanks for the info Handen One more question for Elantric. Do I need to have a specific "Expression" pedal to plug into the Midi Solutions pedal controller? or can I use any pedal...for example, an Ernie Ball volume pedal or similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NewTruth Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 I have an old Digitech MC2 MIDI pedal that is exactly what your looking for, but it's not for sale, sorry. It has two knobs for MIDI channel and CC value (only 0 - 15 though) and eats batteries like no tomorrow (barely lasts one gig). Digitech also made sure that it would only take their proprietary adapter and those are no longer in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 FWIW - Stealth pedal is an interface for a PC/Mac - had no MIDI I/O and does not work "stand alone". Yes the MIDI Solutions box is compatible with Ernie Ball Pedal. email them for a User Manual. read the manual http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm -- Yes the Digitech MC2 MIDI pedal was precisely what you seek I still vote to Sell the Sonuus G2M , buy a used Roland GR-33 & GK3A http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-GR-33-Guitar-MIDI-Synth-GK-2A-Pickup-GR33-GK2A_W0QQitemZ260517194415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZKeyboards_MIDI?hash=item3ca808eaaf#ht_500wt_1182 The Roland triggers its internal sounds very fast. It only "lags" when driving the MIDI Out Port. Other solutions are more $$. Myself - I've tried them all - I'm happy with my VG-99 - use its internal sounds - ( zero lag) and can trigger external sounds in my Macbook Pro via MIDI over USB, or 5pin MIDI out. buy used under $750 http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=vg-99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 3arabsoft Posted January 5, 2010 Members Share Posted January 5, 2010 guys wts the cost for http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSLPEDCONTROL if new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Dog Boy Posted January 8, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 FWIW - Stealth pedal is an interface for a PC/Mac - had no MIDI I/O and does not work "stand alone".Yes the MIDI Solutions box is compatible with Ernie Ball Pedal.email them for a User Manual.read the manualhttp://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm--Yes the Digitech MC2 MIDI pedal was precisely what you seekI still vote to Sell the Sonuus G2M , buy a used Roland GR-33 & GK3A http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-GR-33-Guitar-MIDI-Synth-GK-2A-Pickup-GR33-GK2A_W0QQitemZ260517194415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZKeyboards_MIDI?hash=item3ca808eaaf#ht_500wt_1182The Roland triggers its internal sounds very fast.It only "lags" when driving the MIDI Out Port.Other solutions are more $$.Myself - I've tried them all - I'm happy with my VG-99 - use its internal sounds - ( zero lag) and can trigger external sounds in my Macbook Pro via MIDI over USB, or 5pin MIDI out. buy used under $750http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=vg-99 Therein lies the problem...I am more interested in triggering soft synths stored on my computer than the internal sounds of a Roland synth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elantric Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Then look at the Roland GI20, or Axon AX50, or Keith Mcmillen Stringport All require a GK3A compatible Hex PU with 13 pin output - and you can play chords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lwclaypool Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 I'm using an expression pedal in two ways. In both cases I'm using Boss FV-500L's. To trigger soft-synths I run one of my GK-equipped guitars into a GI-20 with the expression pedal plugged in the back. I'll also throw a Boss FS-5U into this config for hold functions. For my software-based looping rig (MacBook Pro, Ableton Live v8, SooperLooper) I run a Tech 21 MIDI Moose and Boss FV-500L into a MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller then into a mBox 2. This config breaks down nicely for travel. Both setups work great for me, as always, your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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