Members G-A-Nator Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 I'm a guitar player but I love to sing...especially songs by David Phelps But...I'm a baritone (so my church choir director says) and I cant seem to sing the high notes with a lot of power...I'm in my head voice (supposedly) and I can sing the notes loudly but they sound weak and girly...my larnx is neutral but it still sounds unnatural. I heard some people talking about "covering" the head voice and they even gave an example (in the video not in person) but I still dont understand... Will "covering" give me a powerful head voice? I mean opera singers have crazy loud and powerful head voices I want to have one too...I'm not scared of sounding classical as long as I dont hurt myself.... PLEASE HELP A BROTHER OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cjpbarboza Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 hi how are u? well also a im baritone, and my head voice is very noisy i have an especial technique i gonna try to explain you but me English is not very good. first you need to relax yourself no tension because if you make a falsetto or head voice with you may hurt yourself now take a deep breath, and fill you diaphragm, now try to push down you tongue and open your throat and finally try to suelte the air but take it up into your palate, as if you try to make the sound go up your head i hope you understand that :s LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 Thanks for the tip! I think I understand and I'm going to try this absolutely...I was wondering if you had any tips on mixed voice? It seems that a lot of people are pointing that direction everytime I mention powerful head voice...any advice...anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cjpbarboza Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 well i dont now so much about mixed voice actually im very bad in that :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 O...lol ok well where I'm at it is 1:40 a.m. I dont think my family would like it a whole lot if I work on these techniques right now lolI will try them out ASAP and I will either PM you or post how it worked out...thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 Dude, mix voice is bull{censored} in my opinion. If you want a good covered sound, that is right up my alley. Covering will give you a very powerful headvoice, almost a chesty sounding headvoice to an extent. The key to covering is two things, twang and head placement. The higher the pitch, the further back in your head it needs to sit, this is what gives the headvoice a deeper sounding timbre. Twang is what really amplifies it. Twang is basically using the resonator in your nose to add a *ping* to the note which makes it really cut. With proper training and practice, you can achieve amazing results, no bull{censored}. I'm a baritone an can hit up to an E5 right now in full/headvoice. If you want any examples PM me. I usually refer everybody to this guy. Check him out, he knows his {censored}. [video=youtube;HNfpeHE6Wls]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNfpeHE6Wls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jersey Jack Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 Interesting and useful video, but the screed at the end about mixed voice is a bit over the top. We're talking about terminology here, not matters of fact. Because vocal instruction has to get students to learn to move muscles they normally don't know how to move, it has always relied on evocative, metaphorical language. Some of this language will work with some students, some won't. Mix voice is one such example. If it works for you, fine; if it doesn't, then call it covered, or whatever. The important thing is to find your way to it. Reminds me of the silly squabbling about head voice (head/chest voices are another metaphorical construction) vs. falsetto. It doesn't matter whether you think of head voice as a type of falsetto or whether you believe that head voice and falsetto are fundamental cosmic forces in eternal epic conflict with one another. Just find a way to sing high notes without running out of breath and with some focus and resonance. Then call it what you like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 Yes! Let's get away from the whole headvoice/ falsetto squabble for awhile and squabble over mix voice/covering....at least it's a refreshing new topic to argue about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 To my ears, 'covering' is just a fancy word for thickening your timbre which can always be done regardless of register. Also, as a solution to the falsetto/head problem, let's coin a new term which means whatever we mean it means - hedsetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodclement Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 I love it! Headsetto! Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 4, 2011 Members Share Posted June 4, 2011 Also, as a solution to the falsetto/head problem, let's coin a new term which means whatever we mean it means - hedsetto. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2011 Thanks for the tips guys! I know that when I bring up words like "mixed voice" in a vocal forum a fight might break out (kinda like when you say "amp modeler" in a guitar forum lol)So with this "covered head" or "mixed" voice technique is there a specific exercise I can do during my warm up to help develop this? Also, can the tips y'all are giving me also help 'connect' my voice making it one voice not two totally different voices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2011 One more quick question...I've already got a good head voice range (my lowest chest note is a D2 my highest everyday top head voice note is an A5). When I use these techniques does it make all of the notes I have (in head voice) more powerful or do I have to build that power one note at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 5, 2011 Members Share Posted June 5, 2011 You need to learn how to bridge through your passaggio in order to make your voice sound like one connected voice. If your hitting an A5 in falsetto, then it's just a matter of learning the technique in order to add power to it. Check this : [video=youtube;X8zroG9QWNc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zroG9QWNc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sweet...I trust you guys but I gotta wait until my choir director can supervise me to make sure I don't hurt myself. Btw she's loving your advise so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 6, 2011 Members Share Posted June 6, 2011 Sweet...I trust you guys but I gotta wait until my choir director can supervise me to make sure I don't hurt myself. Btw she's loving your advise so far That's a good thing. You can really mess your voice up if you do it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 6, 2011 Yeah...any tips on a good warmup/exercise to perfect this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 6, 2011 Members Share Posted June 6, 2011 For a warmup to get your nose resonance working, you can hum to any major/minor scale really. Not a dopey hum, but one that "buzzes"...you should be able to feel it almost vibrating your teeth. As far as an exercise, use the the same vowel he's using in that last vid I posted. It's "meh" and then opens up into "may" on the top note. Do those on octave sirens, I suggest instead of going up a full octave, go up a 5th instead. This forces you to siren slower and help get past the passaggio area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-A-Nator Posted June 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted June 6, 2011 Great advise! I've actually been on an iPhone up until now so I couldnt see the youtube video. I'm gonna work on this and see if my choir director approves (lol). I'll either PM you or post on this thread the results. You cool with that?BTW...Thanks a ton staticsound! Youve been awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 6, 2011 Members Share Posted June 6, 2011 No prob man, always glad to be of assistance. Post some stuff up or PM me, once you try it out. They key is to not shout, every note should remain consistent in volume and strain free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bajazz Posted June 8, 2011 Members Share Posted June 8, 2011 Mix - connecting - blending - covering - adducting ..... About falsetto vs headvoice that's totally different things b/c the cords move totally different. Compare to a guitar string that is played normally and fretted vs playing a flagoet overtone. There was a clip from a camera down the throat somewhere once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted June 8, 2011 Members Share Posted June 8, 2011 About falsetto vs headvoice that's totally different things b/c the cords move totally different. Compare to a guitar string that is played normally and fretted vs playing a flagoet overtone. There was a clip from a camera down the throat somewhere once... I promise this isn't porn...hehe [video=youtube;Q-PZlj0UH0c] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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