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  • #61
    Originally posted by williegoat View Post
    There are laws against burglary, but I still have an alarm and locks on my doors.
    With that logic we should just keep everyone out of the restrooms them.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by guido61 View Post

      With that logic we should just keep everyone out of the restrooms them.
      That is obviously absurd. I allow friends and some strangers into my home, but not everyone.
      "Gimme a Pigfoot and a Bottle of Beer"

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      • #63
        https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF16F27.pdf
        It is important to note that the concern is not that transgendered individuals are more likely to be sexual predators, but rather that sexual predators could exploit such laws by posing as transgendered in order to gain access to women and girls.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by williegoat View Post
          That is obviously absurd. I allow friends and some strangers into my home, but not everyone.
          That’s fine but that makes no sense for an analogy to a public restroom.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by guido61 View Post

            That’s fine but that makes no sense for an analogy to a public restroom.
            The analogy was not about a public restroom, but rather about the ability of laws to prevent crime.
            "Gimme a Pigfoot and a Bottle of Beer"

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            • #66
              Originally posted by williegoat View Post
              That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

              First of all, to the degree we are talking about schools, you can’t just “pose” as somebody and get to use a locker room with the kids. We are talking about kids who are enrolled students for whom the parents and teachers all know this is how this kid lives his/her life. Adults don’t get to just stroll into school bathrooms and locker rooms period. “Posing” as another gender or not.

              Second of all, to the degree we are talking about other public/government operated restrooms such as parks, swimming pools, etc, there is nothing to stop someone from dressing up as another sex and going inside to molest someone now. (if they believe the clothes will somehow help them get away with such things. Which in and of itself is kinda silly).

              This law wont make it easier for anyone to do such things. It’s not like we have people checking genitalia at the door.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

                First of all, to the degree we are talking about schools, you can’t just “pose” as somebody and get to use a locker room with the kids. We are talking about kids who are enrolled students for whom the parents and teachers all know this is how this kid lives his/her life. Adults don’t get to just stroll into school bathrooms and locker rooms period. “Posing” as another gender or not.

                Second of all, to the degree we are talking about other public/government operated restrooms such as parks, swimming pools, etc, there is nothing to stop someone from dressing up as another sex and going inside to molest someone now. (if they believe the clothes will somehow help them get away with such things. Which in and of itself is kinda silly).

                This law wont make it easier for anyone to do such things. It’s not like we have people checking genitalia at the door.
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                Uh, yeah, we do. That's my weekend job.

                Good point on 'anyone could dress up now'. The law would change nothing, when you consider that.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                  Eh, they have co-ed bathrooms in Europe and it works okay. Are we not grown up enough to handle it?
                  It works well in the US, too. Eventually most people will get over it.
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                  • #69
                    What this bill actually does is try to assign civil rights to behavior...as opposed to genetic attributes.

                    Kind of like religion I suppose.

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                    • #70
                      Opponents argued the bill “is anything but equalizing,” in the words of Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.).

                      “In fact, this bill legalizes discrimination — government imposed top-down discrimination against those with time-honored views of marriage and gender,” she said in remarks on the floor ahead of the vote.
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                      This is true. The bill can't address both sides of the argument so, in it's own repose, it's an open act of discrimination from a biased demographic. You just can't have it both ways.

                      Same sex preference and those averse to it are as old as mankind itself and, for the sake of peaceful relations, they have been mutually inured of each other. Equality has never been a feature of man's inwardly directed energies on any level and barring culture, nationalism, geography, economics, language, and whole array of agents of diversity, same sex preferences will be in the queue a long time before being embraced in the heart. It doesn't count for anything until then. That's because biology has been the torch bearer of normal sex relations. By that standard, same sex is considered abnormal and no heterosexual steeped in his religious teachings will simply drop his god-graced morality because some politically motivated simpletons pass a law demanding it.

                      You have to prove two things first; 1) Man sets his own moral standards because there isn't such a thing as a god or any other metaphysical influence over him. 2) Politicos are in it from the heart.

                      Good luck.

                      What is normal is the mutual awareness on both sides of the sexual preference fulcrum that has always been weighted to the biologically normal side. There is no manner of legislation that can make a person embrace (with equality) an abnormal person as his equal.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Idunno View Post
                        Opponents argued the bill “is anything but equalizing,” in the words of Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.).

                        “In fact, this bill legalizes discrimination — government imposed top-down discrimination against those with time-honored views of marriage and gender,” she said in remarks on the floor ahead of the vote.
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                        This is true. The bill can't address both sides of the argument so, in it's own repose, it's an open act of discrimination from a biased demographic. You just can't have it both ways.

                        Same sex preference and those averse to it are as old as mankind itself and, for the sake of peaceful relations, they have been mutually inured of each other. Equality has never been a feature of man's inwardly directed energies on any level and barring culture, nationalism, geography, economics, language, and whole array of agents of diversity, same sex preferences will be in the queue a long time before being embraced in the heart. It doesn't count for anything until then. That's because biology has been the torch bearer of normal sex relations. By that standard, same sex is considered abnormal and no heterosexual steeped in his religious teachings will simply drop his god-graced morality because some politically motivated simpletons pass a law demanding it.

                        You have to prove two things first; 1) Man sets his own moral standards because there isn't such a thing as a god or any other metaphysical influence over him. 2) Politicos are in it from the heart.

                        Good luck.

                        What is normal is the mutual awareness on both sides of the sexual preference fulcrum that has always been weighted to the biologically normal side. There is no manner of legislation that can make a person embrace (with equality) an abnormal person as his equal.
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                        the law doesn’t prevent anyone from hating on gays or transgender folks if that’s what someone wants to do. Nor does it force anyone to accept them or anything about them.

                        It just prevents people from being able to use the power of the government to discriminate against them.

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