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  • #76
    Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

    The above is entirely subjective. My subjective opinion is that the internet has indeed "changed the formula" - by reducing the signal-to-noise ratio to the point of absurdity. And the idea of "going to best supporters" is repugnant to me in principle - I don't need anyone to "make the strongest case" on any given issue, that is my job.



    I think I've made abundantly clear on numerous occasions that I will not watch youtube video as part of political discourse. I'm happy to read anything you or anyone else provides, but my time is too valuable to me to waste it on YouTube opinion.
    Then I think you will find this fascinating:

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...dennis-prager/

    Edit: My fascination with youtube videos is hinted at in the article above but mainly becuase I am usually pretty busy and can't read and work at the same time, so I work while listening to youtube videos. I used to work and listen to talk radio, and yest, that includes Air America. You see, I really am not in an echo chamber and am quite well aware of what is being discussed in many corners of the political spectrum. Not all, of course, who has the time or inclination. I'm 75 and my focus has changed.
    Last edited by Easy Listener; 05-10-2019, 01:31 PM.
    EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

      Then I think you will find this fascinating:

      https://www.motherjones.com/politics...dennis-prager/
      The power of propaganda is more effective using video than simply the written word.

      Interesting, but hardly “fascinating” as most knowledgeable people have understood this for decades.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

        Then I think you will find this fascinating:

        https://www.motherjones.com/politics...dennis-prager/

        Edit: My fascination with youtube videos is hinted at in the article above but mainly becuase I am usually pretty busy and can't read and work at the same time, so I work while listening to youtube videos. I used to work and listen to talk radio, and yest, that includes Air America. You see, I really am not in an echo chamber and am quite well aware of what is being discussed in many corners of the political spectrum. Not all, of course, who has the time or inclination. I'm 75 and my focus has changed.
        Well, I rarely find myself agreeing with anything Dennis Praeger has to say, but at least he says it well, is historically literate, likes facts (most of the time) and always has a transcript, so I don't actually have to listen to him. And as to the content of the Mother Jones article, it isn't exactly news.... I am well aware of the gnat-like attention span and aversion to nuance of the American electorate, this is just another reminder thereof.

        I've never listened to any talk radio... literally, never, not once. I work with my ears, and oftentimes when I'm here on the forum my ears are busy working. And when I'm not busy, my ears are still working, listening to music. But I can multitask, as in reading and writing. Also, I can read in a couple of minutes what would take an hour to express via video, I don't have the time OR the patience. Same goes for audio books, I find them a form of torture.
        Last edited by Red Ant; 05-11-2019, 02:25 PM.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

          Let us remember that sessions actually recused himself.

          it's more than just a little bit ironic that the passage of time should make Jeff Sessions look like the moral and ethical one in the Trump gang.
          😀
          In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

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          • #80
            Easy Listener, please see the post above where you were asked to substantiate factual claims:

            https://www.harmonycentral.com/forum...6#post32517556


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            • #81
              I think the man has a point. The left's MO regarding publicly slandering anyone they don't like, despite it being the type of speech unprotected by the 1st Amendment, is simply something he's calling out. Fair enough. On this forum where the left hangs it's hat it's going to bait, and get, further slandering. The silliest responses are the ones asking who he is and why his opinion is important. These are the mentalities that will never foster the unity they so obliviously think is uniquely theirs to claim. But, that's the haze and maze of the liberal psyche.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                I saw that but decided to leave it so that the post is not shown to be edited.
                lol
                "Truth is what stands the test of experience."

                ...Albert Einstein

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                  Actually, Republicans were really going nuts about Obama's school transcripts being released. So there is that parallel, but, IMO, the rest of your points are biased caricatures of what actually happened.

                  So we can anticipate the Donald releasing his transcripts? Did Obama not have a fixer to go out and threaten his former schools?
                  "Truth is what stands the test of experience."

                  ...Albert Einstein

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Idunno View Post
                    I think the man has a point. The left's MO regarding publicly slandering anyone they don't like, despite it being the type of speech unprotected by the 1st Amendment, is simply something he's calling out. Fair enough. On this forum where the left hangs it's hat it's going to bait, and get, further slandering. The silliest responses are the ones asking who he is and why his opinion is important. These are the mentalities that will never foster the unity they so obliviously think is uniquely theirs to claim. But, that's the haze and maze of the liberal psyche.
                    Of course ‘the right’ would never dream of publicly slandering anyone they don’t like!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Idunno View Post
                      I think the man has a point. The left's MO regarding publicly slandering anyone they don't like, despite it being the type of speech unprotected by the 1st Amendment, is simply something he's calling out. Fair enough. On this forum where the left hangs it's hat it's going to bait, and get, further slandering. The silliest responses are the ones asking who he is and why his opinion is important. These are the mentalities that will never foster the unity they so obliviously think is uniquely theirs to claim. But, that's the haze and maze of the liberal psyche.
                      I'm really not sure what you're talking about here... do you have examples?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                        Thank you. As I mentioned before, I saw it and left it. I don't like it when my posts have a "last edited" date and chose to leave it be.
                        .................................................. ..................post 68................................................ ...................................

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                          Then I think you will find this fascinating:
                          You were asked to substantiate factual claims... I think it was in post #56.

                          Second notice / request...
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                          - George Carlin

                          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                            You were asked to substantiate factual claims... I think it was in post #56.

                            Second notice / request...
                            Two things:
                            1. I am not logged on 24/7 as some here seem to be and did not see the request.
                            2. I just saw the first request and I consider it unreasonable. This is not journalism class. I gave a link for the core claim.

                            My post stands. Do what you must if you must. I've reached my tolerance level on this links for minutia stuff.
                            Last edited by Easy Listener; 05-14-2019, 12:46 PM.
                            EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                              Two things:
                              1. I am not logged on 24/7 as some here seem to be and did not see the request.
                              2. I just saw the first request and I consider it unreasonable. This is not journalism class. I gave a link for the core claim.

                              My post stands. Do what you must if you must. I've reached my tolerance level on this links for minutia stuff.
                              How could we elevate ourselves to your level of debate if we can't even pass Journalism 101?? Hehe, just kidding.

                              It doesn't take a lot of effort delineate between objective and subjective. Simply say, "It seems to me that most of us thought..." or "of the people on my side who I've read or listened to, most of us thought..."

                              Using more specificity in one's statements tends to make them less questionable, because broad assumptions are removed; openly recognizing and delineating between subjective and objective lends to credibility.

                              Though... beware, that's the type of "critical thinking" mumbo jumbo I learned at a liberal arts college. hehehe
                              Last edited by arcadesonfire; 05-14-2019, 01:04 PM.
                              For those who prefer to listen rather than read and who ask these questions: What underlying crimes were being investigated when Trump obstructed justice? Why wasn't he indicted? Why did Mueller discuss indicting a sitting president in Volume II but not Volume I?
                              https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Muell...ook/B07PXN468K


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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                                Two things:
                                1. I am not logged on 24/7 as some here seem to be and did not see the request.
                                Understood - which is why you weren't asked over the weekend while you weren't posting, and why you were given another reminder today.

                                2. I just saw the first request and I consider it unreasonable. This is not journalism class. I gave a link for the core claim.

                                My post stands. Do what you must if you must. I've reached my tolerance level on this links for minutia stuff.
                                It's really simple: Just edit your post so that instead of the apparently unsupportable claim that "many" and "most" become "some" - which is irrefutable.

                                i.e. with two simple edits "most of us that supported Trump... felt about the obstruction claims" becomes "some of us that supported Trump... felt about the obstruction claims" and "many of us see this as... Trump was framed for a crime he didn't commit" becomes "some of us see this as... Trump was framed for a crime he didn't commit."



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                                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                                - George Carlin

                                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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