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  • #31
    Remember when conservative heads exploded because a shady campaign donor of Obama’s bought an empty lot next to Obama’s house and sold a portion of it to Obama?

    seems so quaint now, doesn’t it?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

      Actually, Republicans were really going nuts about Obama's school transcripts being released. So there is that parallel, but, IMO, the rest of your points are biased caricatures of what actually happened.

      That isn't a parallel at all, one has nothing to do with the other, but nice job dancing around the issues.

      And your second point is inaccurate as well.

      Again, it's not hard, substitute Obama for Trump in all of those situations and let us know how you would really feel.
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      Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
      For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
      Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
        Yeah, Trump is innocent in the way the OJ is innocent. He got off because Mueller didn't have a link between working with Kalimnik and Russian campaign meddling. When you think about it, how could he make that link? Pretty hard to interview Russians in the Kremlin.

        Dirty president, in more ways than one.
        He got off because there was no evidence. On a side note, sometimes people like to say that Mueller didn't exonerate him. That is what a Judge or jury does. A prosecutor prosecutes, if there is enough evidence to bring a case. If there isn't they choose to not prosecute. Nobody ever said a prosecutor exonerated the accused. The best you can hope for is a prosecutor choosing to not prosecute.

        Which is what Mueller did.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

          He got off because there was no evidence. On a side note, sometimes people like to say that Mueller didn't exonerate him. That is what a Judge or jury does. A prosecutor prosecutes, if there is enough evidence to bring a case. If there isn't they choose to not prosecute. Nobody ever said a prosecutor exonerated the accused. The best you can hope for is a prosecutor choosing to not prosecute.

          Which is what Mueller did.
          Once again, you’re completely wrong.

          Mueller stated that, from the outset, he was not going to make accusations of crimes being committed or recommend indictment, no matter what the evidence presented showed.

          He didn’t “choose” not to prosecute. He believed it wasn’t an option afforded to him by DOJ rules.

          That you repeatedly continue to dishonestly misrepresent this point in spite of it having been made clear to you numerous times is quite telling.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
            Yeah, Trump is innocent in the way the OJ is innocent. He got off because Mueller didn't have a link between working with Kalimnik and Russian campaign meddling. When you think about it, how could he make that link? Pretty hard to interview Russians in the Kremlin.

            Dirty president, in more ways than one.
            Also because the Trump campaign and Associates were dealing with cutouts instead of direct Representatives.

            The Russian Lady lawyer at the Trump Tower meeting was not an elected official.

            same thing with the Red Sparrow and the NRA, no coordination or conspiracy with elected Russian officials involved.

            and Paul manafort did not give polling data to officials of the Russian government, but rather to a Russian industrialist oligarch reputed to have ties with Russian intelligence.

            always there is the plausible deniability of operating through an intermediary.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

              Actually, Republicans were really going nuts about Obama's school transcripts being released. So there is that parallel, but, IMO, the rest of your points are biased caricatures of what actually happened.

              No they're not.

              George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
              Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                No they're not.
                Yes they are! Grrrrr!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

                  Also because the Trump campaign and Associates were dealing with cutouts instead of direct Representatives.

                  The Russian Lady lawyer at the Trump Tower meeting was not an elected official.

                  same thing with the Red Sparrow and the NRA, no coordination or conspiracy with elected Russian officials involved.

                  and Paul manafort did not give polling data to officials of the Russian government, but rather to a Russian industrialist oligarch reputed to have ties with Russian intelligence.

                  always there is the plausible deniability of operating through an intermediary.
                  And if the intermediary doesn't do the trick there is always 'the fixer'.

                  Trump is crime 101, light.
                  But like I've said before, if Trump wasn't operating under this rule of law he'd be operating much dirtier than he has been. He's the Putin type of person. I'm guessing that's a big part of his attraction to Vlad. I imagine Trump lusts for the power that Putin has.

                  George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                  Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                    Remember when conservative heads exploded because a shady campaign donor of Obama’s bought an empty lot next to Obama’s house and sold a portion of it to Obama?

                    seems so quaint now, doesn’t it?
                    BIG double standards on display.
                    It works both ways, of course, but the current go-round dwarfs the other ones.

                    George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                    Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                      And if the intermediary doesn't do the trick there is always 'the fixer'.

                      Trump is crime 101, light.
                      But like I've said before, if Trump wasn't operating under this rule of law he'd be operating much dirtier than he has been. He's the Putin type of person. I'm guessing that's a big part of his attraction to Vlad. I imagine Trump lusts for the power that Putin has.
                      With the loss of Cohen, Donald required someone to fulfill the role of fixer.

                      via the mechanism of his unsolicited audition memo, Barr was immediately accepted as the new fixer for President Sham Wow.
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                      • #41
                        This thread really delivers. The thread is about a window into the perspective of those supporting Trump regarding the Mueller report, but the content of the thread turns out to be a window into the perspective of those who believe he is the guilty party.

                        This is awesome! And these posts are fun, kinda like watching a Tucker Carlson interview of a leftist is fun.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

                          With the loss of Cohen, Donald required someone to fulfill the role of fixer.

                          via the mechanism of his unsolicited audition memo, Barr was immediately accepted as the new fixer for President Sham Wow.
                          Yep. Sure looks that way. That's why Trump was moaning about Sessions' not protecting him. "Where's my Roy Cohn" and all that crap. Anyone who laments not having a Roy Cohn by their side, they're a loser.

                          George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                          Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post
                            This thread really delivers. The thread is about a window into the perspective of those supporting Trump regarding the Mueller report, but the content of the thread turns out to be a window into the perspective of those who believe he is the guilty party.

                            This is awesome! And these posts are fun, kinda like watching a Tucker Carlson interview of a leftist is fun.
                            Your title says it's about obstruction of justice. Numerous legal opinions I've heard about that leave no doubt that Trump would be charged if he were not a sitting president.

                            So, the window that you speak of is not worth looking through, IMO. That's why your thread moved off into other matters.
                            Last edited by Hoot Owl; 05-10-2019, 10:14 AM.
                            George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                            Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                              Yep. Sure looks that way. That's why Trump was moaning about Sessions' not protecting him. "Where's my Roy Cohn" and all that crap. Anyone who laments not having a Roy Cohn by their side, they're a loser.
                              Not to mention anyone that ever once actually DID have Roy Cohn by their side. Biggest loser of all.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                                Your title says it's about obstruction of justice. Numerous legal opinions I've heard about that leave no doubt that Trump would be charged if he were not a sitting president.

                                So, the window that you speak of is not worth looking through, IMO. That's why your thread moved off into other matters.
                                And although the thread title asks us to looking into the mindset of the guy in the video and others who agree with him, don't dare comment on their mindset, as that would be an ad hominem attack.
                                Last edited by Vito Corleone; 05-10-2019, 10:16 AM.

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