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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
    Started watching it.
    At 0:40, "the innocent man accused of a terrible crime". I can see where this is going. Next thread.

    Edit admission: Okay, watched to 20. Such BS.
    You can lead a horse to water.

    He was trying to make a point that you would not allow yourself to be exposed to. Don't be afraid of the other side.

    Thing is, we now know that Trump was innocent, and the crime was terrible. The analogy was great.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

      Why?
      Possibly because the title is misleading?

      a more accurate title would be " one person's view of blah blah blah that aligns with mine". The title as it stands claims to speak for a rather large group of people, as if the opinions thereof are monolithic. They aren't - there's a huge diversity of opinion within "moderates and conservatives", and this is just one of them. It certainly doesn't represent my take on things in the least, and I'm of the group you and the guy in the video purport to represent.
      Last edited by Red Ant; 05-10-2019, 08:26 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
        Why do some people sit at home and watch these loud mouthed, opinionated blow hard videos?

        Everyone has an opinion.

        "Important to who" is right.
        He doesn't seem that loud.

        But that was argumentum ad-hominem. What do you think of the points he's making and why?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

          Those who would sincerely want to understand why all these crazy conservatives were coming to Trump's defense on the Mueller report.
          I already understand. It doesn't matter if trump is a traitor and criminal. He's your traitor and criminal. That's all that really matters. Imo
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

            He doesn't seem that loud.

            But that was argumentum ad-hominem. What do you think of the points he's making and why?
            I think people who sit in front of a camera and blah blah their opinion and post it on YouTube have no desire to discuss, debate or defend their points. They just wish to pontificate.

            Perhaps he could come here and present his views himself if he wishes to discuss them with members of this forum?

            the flaw with you posting these videos in the manner you do is that by asking us to discuss the points, you are forcing us to consider his mindset and motivations which we cannot know because he isn’t here to tell us. And then when someone tries to surmise them, you cry “ad hominem”.

            This is why it would be so much better for you to simply post your own views rather than someone else’s and state “I agree”.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

              I saw that but decided to leave it so that the post is not shown to be edited.
              I see, you were going for that raw, live in concert feel to your post.
              I like it.
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              Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
              For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
              Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by erok123 View Post

                I already understand. It doesn't matter if trump is a traitor and criminal. He's your traitor and criminal. That's all that really matters. Imo
                That post reveals more than you may want it to reveal. Just sayin'.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                  That post reveals more than you may want it to reveal. Just sayin'.
                  Look who's talking.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                    You can lead a horse to water.

                    He was trying to make a point that you would not allow yourself to be exposed to. Don't be afraid of the other side.

                    Thing is, we now know that Trump was innocent, and the crime was terrible. The analogy was great.
                    Yeah, Trump is innocent in the way the OJ is innocent. He got off because Mueller didn't have a link between working with Kalimnik and Russian campaign meddling. When you think about it, how could he make that link? Pretty hard to interview Russians in the Kremlin.

                    Dirty president, in more ways than one.

                    George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                    Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                    • #25
                      Here's my issue with the whole Trump/Russia thing.

                      If Obama had setup meetings with Russians prior to becoming POTUS, Republican heads would have exploded.
                      If Obama's people had tried to setup a back-channel hotline with Russia prior to being sworn in, Republicans would have screamed bloody murder.
                      If Obama had publicly invited the Russians to hack McCain or Romney's email, Republicans would have tarred and feathered him.
                      If Obama had a long history of doing business and getting loans from Russian oligarchs, Republicans would want it thoroughly investigated.
                      If Obama hadn't released his taxes while running for President because they showed a lot of income tied to Russia, Republicans would be outraged.
                      If several of Obama's staff lied about meetings with Russian officials, it would be headline news on Fox every night.
                      If Obama had met privately with Vladimir Putin with only his translator, Republicans would swear he was selling our country to the Reds.
                      If, after all of our Intelligence organizations had determined that Russia tried heavily to influence our election, Obama denied the fact, Republicans would be starting the impeachment process.

                      But it's fine when their guy does all of this.
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                      Maybe we can all just agree that Bush was stupid and Cheney was lying and call it a day. - guitarcapo

                      Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
                      For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
                      Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                        Yeah, Trump is innocent in the way the OJ is innocent. He got off because Mueller didn't have a link between working with Kalimnik and Russian campaign meddling. When you think about it, how could he make that link? Pretty hard to interview Russians in the Kremlin.

                        Dirty president, in more ways than one.
                        Your post communicates a great deal about how you have intellectually processed this information. Thank you.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by E-money View Post
                          Here's my issue with the whole Trump/Russia thing.

                          If Obama had setup meetings with Russians prior to becoming POTUS, Republican heads would have exploded.
                          If Obama's people had tried to setup a back-channel hotline with Russia prior to being sworn in, Republicans would have screamed bloody murder.
                          If Obama had publicly invited the Russians to hack McCain or Romney's email, Republicans would have tarred and feathered him.
                          If Obama had a long history of doing business and getting loans from Russian oligarchs, Republicans would want it thoroughly investigated.
                          If Obama hadn't released his taxes while running for President because they showed a lot of income tied to Russia, Republicans would be outraged.
                          If several of Obama's staff lied about meetings with Russian officials, it would be headline news on Fox every night.
                          If Obama had met privately with Vladimir Putin with only his translator, Republicans would swear he was selling our country to the Reds.
                          If, after all of our Intelligence organizations had determined that Russia tried heavily to influence our election, Obama denied the fact, Republicans would be starting the impeachment process.

                          But it's fine when their guy does all of this.
                          That's good.
                          I think we could double or triple the if's though if we worked on it for a while.

                          George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                          Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                            Your post communicates a great deal about how you have intellectually processed this information. Thank you.
                            Okay.
                            I take that with a smile, kind of a chuckle, knowing you...and me. Neither of us actually being important or anything.

                            George Washington was the man who never told a lie. Richard Nixon was the man who never told the truth. Donald Trump is the man who doesn't know the difference.
                            Venezuela is what happens when you have Trump without the Madison.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by E-money View Post
                              Here's my issue with the whole Trump/Russia thing.

                              If Obama had setup meetings with Russians prior to becoming POTUS, Republican heads would have exploded.
                              If Obama's people had tried to setup a back-channel hotline with Russia prior to being sworn in, Republicans would have screamed bloody murder.
                              If Obama had publicly invited the Russians to hack McCain or Romney's email, Republicans would have tarred and feathered him.
                              If Obama had a long history of doing business and getting loans from Russian oligarchs, Republicans would want it thoroughly investigated.
                              If Obama hadn't released his taxes while running for President because they showed a lot of income tied to Russia, Republicans would be outraged.
                              If several of Obama's staff lied about meetings with Russian officials, it would be headline news on Fox every night.
                              If Obama had met privately with Vladimir Putin with only his translator, Republicans would swear he was selling our country to the Reds.
                              If, after all of our Intelligence organizations had determined that Russia tried heavily to influence our election, Obama denied the fact, Republicans would be starting the impeachment process.

                              But it's fine when their guy does all of this.
                              Actually, Republicans were really going nuts about Obama's school transcripts being released. So there is that parallel, but, IMO, the rest of your points are biased caricatures of what actually happened.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hoot Owl View Post
                                That's good.
                                I think we could double or triple the if's though if we worked on it for a while.
                                Easily. I didn't mention the plans for a Trump tower in Moscow, or Miss Universe, or Eric Prince, or Rex Tillerson.
                                Trump isn't orange, he's red.
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                                Politics are like sports, where both teams suck

                                Maybe we can all just agree that Bush was stupid and Cheney was lying and call it a day. - guitarcapo

                                Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
                                For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
                                Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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