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  • #61
    Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

    No. Here's the difference between you and me regarding this report: I understand that it is case closed. I refuse to argue the content beyond saying those that created it and responsible for making binding legal decisions based on it have done so. The only reason for quoting it is if you want to make a case for disagreeing with their final decisions. Sure, you can do that, but that and $2 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. It's an exercise in futility.

    And speaking of final decisions, Trump won the election even though Hillary won the popular vote.

    To quote good ol' captain Mal Reynolds, "Why are you arguing what's already been decided?"
    Because you saying “it’s already been decided” doesn’t make it so.

    Give me one legal precedent for the Congress being unable to conduct an oversight investigation because the executive branch has said “its over”?

    produce one and then maybe we can have an honest discussion about the legal points. Otherwise, you’re just playing politics

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    • #62
      Originally posted by guido61 View Post

      Because you saying “it’s already been decided” doesn’t make it so.

      Give me one legal precedent for the Congress being unable to conduct an oversight investigation because the executive branch has said “its over”?

      produce one and then maybe we can have an honest discussion about the legal points. Otherwise, you’re just playing politics
      The legal part is over. The political part never is. Especially with democrats. They are the sorest losers I have ever seen. Heck, remember the Sore'Loserman meme?
      EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by guido61 View Post

        Here is the difference between you and me when discussing the Mueller Report.

        I heve supported everything I have said with quotes and text from the report itself

        you have used far right opinion pieces or snide brush-asides

        as entertaining as it can be for me to watch conservatives here flail and completely unable to engage in any proper form of debate? Even that has its limits
        That's not fair... He also uses questionable analogies and references to old TV shows.
        For those who prefer to listen rather than read and who ask these questions: What underlying crimes were being investigated when Trump obstructed justice? Why wasn't he indicted? Why did Mueller discuss indicting a sitting president in Volume II but not Volume I?
        https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Muell...ook/B07PXN468K


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        • #64
          Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

          Yeah, the house can do all sorts of stuff. That is what political theater is all about. But the Mueller investigation is over and has released its results. The Russia investigation found no evidence of collusion/coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. It's over.

          I'm not sure exactly which reason you would use to justify calling constitutional oversight by Congress of the executive to be political theater.

          but it really doesn't matter does it?

          I think I'm going to have to go with the Constitution this time.

          and here's the counter point of view for you: insisting "it's over" as the house investigations are just ramping up is political theater.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

            I think I'm going to have to go with the Constitution this time.
            And how am I not?
            EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

              And how am I not?
              With your political theater propaganda.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                The legal part is over.
                The political part never is. Especially with democrats. They are the sorest losers I have ever seen. Heck, remember the Sore'Loserman meme?
                Once again, you’re incorrect. There are several legal issue still outstanding. Including the one I brought up.

                But if you are unable to make the legal argument them just say so. Stop dancing.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                  Once again, you’re incorrect. There are several legal issue still outstanding. Including the one I brought up.

                  But if you are unable to make the legal argument them just say so. Stop dancing.
                  I thought Robert Mueller made quite clear in his report that the president's legal liabilities will actually increase when he leaves office because he will no longer be under the protection of this justice department regulation about not indicting a sitting president.

                  I can understand why this is a topic that Trump supporters will be reluctant to discuss.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

                    With your political theater propaganda.
                    Nope. I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm saying they are harming their credibility by doing it. It's the wrong hill to die on.
                    EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                      Nope. I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm saying they are harming their credibility by doing it. It's the wrong hill to die on.
                      Democrats just took the house with the largest transfer of seats in that body since Watergate. This indicates strong support from the General Public.

                      your comments appear to be crafted to give the impression that the exercise of their constitutional oversight is somehow damaging and wrong.

                      You're simply trying too hard.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                        Nope. I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm saying they are harming their credibility by doing it. It's the wrong hill to die on.
                        They are not "harming their credibility". They are doing their jobs, using solid evidence laid out in the Mueller report, to initiate investigations of criminal activity on the part of the President.

                        All of which is set out in the Constitution.

                        This is an interesting experiment in human behavior... will the consistent and patient repetition of clearly documented facts eventually overcome willful denial of those facts?

                        My guess is "no"; but that's why we experiment.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by TCM View Post

                          They are not "harming their credibility". They are doing their jobs, using solid evidence laid out in the Mueller report, to initiate investigations of criminal activity on the part of the President.

                          All of which is set out in the Constitution.

                          This is an interesting experiment in human behavior... will the consistent and patient repetition of clearly documented facts eventually overcome willful denial of those facts?

                          My guess is "no"; but that's why we experiment.
                          Yes, doing their jobs, as set out in the constitution. I liken them to a basketball team that uses the full court press every time. Or a football offensive team that tries to drive a running play down the middle every time. I mean, it's completely within the rules, but not advisable.
                          EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                          • #73
                            The former Director of the FBI (who was fired by Trump) is on record as saying that Trump would have been charged with a crime if he were not a sitting president.

                            https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/polit...iew/index.html

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Zipperhead View Post
                              The former Director of the FBI (who was fired by Trump) is on record as saying that Trump would have been charged with a crime if he were not a sitting president.

                              https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/polit...iew/index.html

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                              And there is a lot of speculation that he may be going to prison. i.e. his claims are a self defense mechanism.

                              https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...stigation.html
                              https://www.cbsnews.com/video/presid...-goes-to-jail/
                              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oing-to-prison

                              My personal take is that Comey is literally fighting for his freedom. He has the ability to formulate predictions about his future a year from now and I believe he is trying to do what he can preemptively to control his destiny the best he can.
                              EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

                                And there is a lot of speculation that he may be going to prison. i.e. his claims are a self defense mechanism.

                                https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...stigation.html
                                https://www.cbsnews.com/video/presid...-goes-to-jail/
                                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oing-to-prison

                                My personal take is that Comey is literally fighting for his freedom. He has the ability to formulate predictions about his future a year from now and I believe he is trying to do what he can preemptively to control his destiny the best he can.
                                there is some industrial-strength deflection going on in the above post.

                                there's not even an investigation underway on Comey.

                                on the other hand trunp just claimed executive privilege over the Mueller report which appears to contain evidence showing that he obstructed Justice.

                                here's a theoretical question for you based on time travel. Since much of what the Mueller report discusses occurred before Donald Trump was elected president How can there be any claim of executive privilege?

                                he was simply private citizen failed businessman Trump at that time, not yet able to hide wrongdoing under the umbrella of constitutional powers.


                                in order for the courts to affirm Donald's power to claim executive privilege over things that happened before the election, wouldn't that require Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine?
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