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    Organize

    Dems just don't get it. This is not the stuff of contenders. It's the stuff of contentious. Legislating employers and employees for the good of the unions alone? Unions that bargain with strong arm tactics like striking to paralyze an employer need to open their eyes and take a look around the manufacturing landscape for a clue or two. Those days are over by virtue of an available global market of cheap labor. While I agree that their original purpose (ensuring work place safety) is still valid, OSHA, state and local guidelines have the reins now, not to mention the ever-prying eyes of the blood-thirsty personal injury attorneys creating victims as they need them. Point being, unions need to vanish and let the right-to-work aspect of a free market economy compete for workers. I despise unions and their pocketing of politicians.

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    Joe Biden just got the endorsement of the firefighters Union. Donald Trump is reportedly not happy. Perhaps he is now worried about erosion in that blue collar portion of his base.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
      Joe Biden just got the endorsement of the firefighters Union. Donald Trump is reportedly not happy. Perhaps he is now worried about erosion in that blue collar portion of his base.
      Voting for Trump again will be like going to see a comedian who tells all the same jokes he told last time you saw him.

      I dont think his campaign schtick is going to play as well for a lot of people second time around.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
        Joe Biden just got the endorsement of the firefighters Union. Donald Trump is reportedly not happy. Perhaps he is now worried about erosion in that blue collar portion of his base.
        Trump's union support has come from private-sector unions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Idunno View Post
          Organize

          Dems just don't get it.
          WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES

          IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION ....


          ( those guys GET it !! )

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          "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." ---Albert Einstein

          What is more liberal than this ?? )
          We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union ...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RKW View Post

            Trump's union support has come from private-sector unions.
            I thought he only got the police and border patrol unions in 2016....?
            Lease this space!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by guido61 View Post

              Voting for Trump again will be like going to see a comedian who tells all the same jokes he told last time you saw him.

              I dont think his campaign schtick is going to play as well for a lot of people second time around.
              Unions have consistently talked about free trade, imports & illegal immigration being their enemies. trumps strong rhetoric was no less than what they've been saying in the past. Maybe trump has tried to tackle the problems a little too straight forward & using the wrong"methods", He did what they wanted & maybe they now see that there is a bit more complexity than they also thought.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Idunno View Post
                Organize

                Dems just don't get it. This is not the stuff of contenders. It's the stuff of contentious. Legislating employers and employees for the good of the unions alone? Unions that bargain with strong arm tactics like striking to paralyze an employer need to open their eyes and take a look around the manufacturing landscape for a clue or two. Those days are over by virtue of an available global market of cheap labor. While I agree that their original purpose (ensuring work place safety) is still valid, OSHA, state and local guidelines have the reins now, not to mention the ever-prying eyes of the blood-thirsty personal injury attorneys creating victims as they need them. Point being, unions need to vanish and let the right-to-work aspect of a free market economy compete for workers. I despise unions and their pocketing of politicians.

                https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...nion-wish-list
                What would you offer up as an alternate collective bargaining arrangement?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stratosaurus View Post

                  Unions have consistently talked about free trade, imports & illegal immigration being their enemies. trumps strong rhetoric was no less than what they've been saying in the past. Maybe trump has tried to tackle the problems a little too straight forward & using the wrong"methods", He did what they wanted & maybe they now see that there is a bit more complexity than they also thought.
                  Maybe it's the tariffs then.
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                  • #10
                    Suggested alternate title for the thread...

                    Union Does what Union Dues
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                    • #11
                      Yes, it's totally un-American to join together in free assembly in order to forge contracts between interested parties. Much better for all involved if autocratic bosses like Trump simply rule people on their whims.
                      "Truth is what stands the test of experience."

                      ...Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        I'll always support people's right to organize their labor and collective bargain.
                        I'll always also support the right of a business owner to decide whether or not to bargain with said unions.
                        I'll always also support the right of individuals to negotiate the terms of their employment as individuals with no extortion from unions.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nedezero1 View Post
                          I'll always support people's right to organize their labor and collective bargain.
                          I'll always also support the right of a business owner to decide whether or not to bargain with said unions.
                          I'll always also support the right of individuals to negotiate the terms of their employment as individuals with no extortion from unions.
                          Having the "right" to do something doesn't give one the practical ability to do so.


                          Hence the need to move from the "individuals negotiating" method to forming unions in the FIRST place.

                          But you knew this.

                          At least I HOPE you did.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                            Having the "right" to do something doesn't give one the practical ability to do so.


                            Hence the need to move from the "individuals negotiating" method to forming unions in the FIRST place.

                            But you knew this.

                            At least I HOPE you did.
                            From appearances, the most success of union organization, has been loss of American jobs to other countries & and pretty drastic union membership losses. Union negotiations aren't exactly a shining example of being successful.
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                            • #15
                              Unions built this country and the middle class.
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