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  • #16
    That's a pretty big waiting room.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

      From many of the veterans I know, the prevailing opinion is that the red tape and waiting periods are a nightmare, but once they get through that, the care they receive is top notch.
      I know more vets than you and they say the opposite.

      they’ve also said very interesting things about you.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by goodhonk View Post

        I know more vets than you and they say the opposite.
        Complete, unsubstantiated conjecture on your part...

        they’ve also said very interesting things about you.
        Leave the implied personal comments / attacks out of the discussion please.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by goodhonk View Post
          if you have suggestions on how this country can prevent veterans from killing themselves, please share.
          One would need to study the problem first. I haven't.

          But I would expect every combat soldier and medic to go through a period of counseling upon return, in groups, and individually for those who need it. Do they do anything like that?
          Treating returning soldiers should be a part of any combat plan.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Hoddy View Post
            https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...zVdKKoP7xqdgE8

            It's a disgrace that this country has so miserably failed in it's care of our veterans.
            I've never been in a hospital waiting room where more than a couple of dozen people at most could witness anything. Must be a really big waiting room.
            EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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            • #21
              If you are a veteran, here is how to improve your coverage. It's a very simple three step process:
              1. go to Mexico.
              2. Cross the border claiming to be a Mexican seeking asylum.
              3. Go to a hospital emergency room for all the free care you want.

              Yes. I'm being hyperbolic. But still...
              EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post
                If you are a veteran, here is how to improve your coverage. It's a very simple three step process:
                1. go to Mexico.
                2. Cross the border claiming to be a Mexican seeking asylum.
                3. Go to a hospital emergency room for all the free care you want.

                Yes. I'm being hyperbolic. But still...
                VERY hyperbolic.

                Because the TRUTH is that "free care" in hospital emergency rooms essentially boils down to running out on the bill and/or filing bankruptcy on it. Or filing some sort of false claim so they can't find you to send you the bill. Or qualifying for Medicaid or other public assistance.

                None of which requires being in the country illegally or being an asylum-seeker to do. In fact, all sorts of legal citizens do this same stuff every day.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post
                  If you are a veteran, here is how to improve your coverage. It's a very simple three step process:
                  1. go to Mexico.
                  2. Cross the border claiming to be a Mexican seeking asylum.
                  3. Go to a hospital emergency room for all the free care you want.

                  Yes. I'm being hyperbolic. But still...
                  Regular Americans can do that.

                  Thank Ronald Reagan for the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...tive_Labor_Act

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

                    Regular Americans can do that.

                    Thank Ronald Reagan for the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...tive_Labor_Act
                    Except it's important that he identify as an alien. If he uses his real name it will cost him, probably.
                    EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by goodhonk View Post

                      I know more vets than you and they say the opposite.

                      they’ve also said very interesting things about you.
                      I had a friend with VA coverage that had a knee problem that, had it been a normal insurance coverage issue, would have had knee surgery for a permanent fix. But with VA he had to go in every few months for injections of a lubricating gel as a temporary fix, every few months.

                      That's not "top notch."


                      There is a reason those that can afford it leave their single payer system for treatment in the US.

                      https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care
                      EVERYTHING I type (i.e. not a link or video) is only my opinion. In a sane world, that should not have to be said. But then, we are not living in a sane world, are we?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hoddy View Post
                        https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...zVdKKoP7xqdgE8

                        It's a disgrace that this country has so miserably failed in it's care of our veterans.
                        What in the story leads you to believe that the suicide was directly related to a failure of this veterans' healthcare? Sometimes the best healthcare in the world can not prevent a suicide.
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