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  • Should sanctuary cities be held civilly liable for crimes committed by illegal immigrants they're sheltering from federal immigration authorities?

    In cases like these where there's a proactive effort by the city/state to avoid working with federal immigration authorities.


    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...507013631.html


    Seems like the woman's family could make a compelling case in civil court.

    "Carlos Eduardo Arevalo Carranza, a Salvadorian national, was arrested Monday and booked into the Santa Clara County jail for murder, officials said.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said agents tried to deport Carranza nine times before, but their detainer requests were not honored in Los Angeles and Santa Clara counties, both so-called "sanctuary cities."




  • #2
    Originally posted by nedezero1 View Post
    In cases like these where there's a proactive effort by the city/state to avoid working with federal immigration authorities.


    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...507013631.html


    Seems like the woman's family could make a compelling case in civil court.

    "Carlos Eduardo Arevalo Carranza, a Salvadorian national, was arrested Monday and booked into the Santa Clara County jail for murder, officials said.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said agents tried to deport Carranza nine times before, but their detainer requests were not honored in Los Angeles and Santa Clara counties, both so-called "sanctuary cities."


    Absolutely. They are harboring criminals (illegals) and literally telling them "you can live here", with no regard for the safety of their citizens. The legal term would be "negligence".

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    • #3
      Using Sanctuary Cities as attack rhetoric has not proved to be very profitable for the GOP.

      the rabid base only accounts for about a third of the American population.

      but as a tactic the lineage makes perfect sense.

      Communists - Socialists - Rapist Mexicans is pretty much a straight line.

      I'm getting scared just thinking about it.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
        Using Sanctuary Cities as attack rhetoric has not proved to be very profitable for the GOP.

        the rabid base only accounts for about a third of the American population.

        but as a tactic the lineage makes perfect sense.

        Communists - Socialists - Rapist Mexicans is pretty much a straight line.

        I'm getting scared just thinking about it.
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        Any comments on the actual thread topic?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
          Using Sanctuary Cities as attack rhetoric has not proved to be very profitable for the GOP.

          the rabid base only accounts for about a third of the American population.

          but as a tactic the lineage makes perfect sense.

          Communists - Socialists - Rapist Mexicans is pretty much a straight line.

          I'm getting scared just thinking about it.
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          Unable to answer the question "yes" or "no"?

          Didn't think it was a difficult question that would be so taxing.

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          • #6
            I think civil liability, or at least the ability of the family to sue in this case, is reasonable. This one isnā€™t far from my neighborhood.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

              Absolutely. They are harboring criminals (illegals) and literally telling them "you can live here", with no regard for the safety of their citizens. The legal term would be "negligence".
              Unfortunately it will take as few more instances like the one referenced in the op before people will start realize that harboring criminals endangers citizens.

              Hopefully her death will not be in vain.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nedezero1 View Post

                Unable to answer the question "yes" or "no"?

                Didn't think it was a difficult question that would be so taxing.
                Iā€™m starting to understand why he preferred to hide his non-sequiturs in the comments section when it was still functional.
                The pattern is reminiscent of a child who wanders into an adult conversation and desperately wants to contribute, but is simply unable.

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                • #9
                  Should regular cities be held civilly liable for crimes committed by US citizens living within them?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post
                    Should regular cities be held civilly liable for crimes committed by US citizens living within them?
                    Should trump voters be held liable for trump's crimes against humanity?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post
                      Should regular cities be held civilly liable for crimes committed by US citizens living within them?
                      Your inability to answer the question posed, and response question leads me to believe you don't understand the difference between a criminal alien and a criminal citizen.

                      Do you need a more rudimentary explanation of the difference?

                      However I'll still entertain your question at the risk of making you seem less thoughtful than you perceive yourself to be...

                      If a city or state government proactively harbors a dangerous criminal and shields them from federal authorities like lets say the FBI, ATF, or Marshals, and that criminal commits a crime, then yes they should be held civilly liable by the family of the victim(s).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
                        Using Sanctuary Cities as attack rhetoric has not proved to be very profitable for the GOP.

                        the rabid base only accounts for about a third of the American population.

                        but as a tactic the lineage makes perfect sense.

                        Communists - Socialists - Rapist Mexicans is pretty much a straight line.

                        I'm getting scared just thinking about it.
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                        And this answer is a deflection of the issue brought up by Ned. He provided a specific incident and a link to the information. Nowhere in his post did he state anything about rabid voters or a tactic against illegal immigrants. Sure, if you wished to make it about extremes you could, which you did, trying to invalidate a legitimate question with a thoroughly biased answer.

                        Why?

                        Is it that you have no way to defend the fact that two cities refused to work with Immigration to deport a criminal and he ended up committing murder?

                        How about you drop the snarky reply that contains no actual substance and participate in the discussion, which highlights a legitimate concern, that Ned brought to the table?

                        Your un-substantive snark does not help discussion, unless, of course, you are merely trying to troll.
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                        • #13
                          The county I live in (Santa Clara) sends information and fingerprints to the FBI and ICE when it processes arrestees. Their position is that federal law as currently written doesn't require any more than that, and any law that would purport to compel them to detain arrestees longer than they otherwise would given the crime committed at their own expense is a violation of the 10th Amendment. The whole reason we have that body of 10th Amendment case law in the first place is that certain jurisdictions refused to comply with federal gun laws. Were those jurisdictions held liable for gun violence that occurred in their cities?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by prolurkerguy View Post

                            Iā€™m starting to understand why he preferred to hide his non-sequiturs in the comments section when it was still functional.
                            The pattern is reminiscent of a child who wanders into an adult conversation and desperately wants to contribute, but is simply unable.
                            Watch the implied personal attacks please.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post
                              Should regular cities be held civilly liable for crimes committed by US citizens living within them?
                              Disingenuous response.

                              An crime committed by a US citizen does not affect their immigration status while crimes committed by illegal immigrants can get them deported from this country.

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