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  • And this is why we can't have nice things.

    This is the root cause. Everything else is just symptoms.


    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...7szp30JEmhvS8k
    Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

    -- Vaclav Havel

    The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

    -- Carl Sagan


    Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

    -- Joseph Brodsky

  • #2
    Originally posted by Red Ant View Post
    This is the root cause. Everything else is just symptoms.


    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...7szp30JEmhvS8k

    Hmmmm. As much as I’m a fan of literacy and want to see our rates increase, I’m not sure I’m buying what Annie is trying to sell.


    First of all, 7th place isn’t so bad. Especially considering the size of our population, number of immigrants, etc etc.

    second of all, and related to the first, how do those percentages compare to where we were 50 or 100 or 200 years ago?

    And most importantly, I’ve never seen any correlation between people being able to read and whether I think they understand enough about our politics, economics, world events, etc that they are what I would consider informed voters.

    sorry, but this article was lame. Throws out some numbers, says it means things are bad, and cites some old John Adams quote as evidence to support the claim.

    I give it a 2 out of 10. Sorry, Annie.
    Last edited by guido61; 03-10-2019, 09:33 PM.

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    • #3
      And should I point out that we are behind all those evil “democratic socialist” nations Bernie is always raving about?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Red Ant View Post
        This is the root cause. Everything else is just symptoms.


        https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...7szp30JEmhvS8k
        This just proves your point. Unbelievable. The future of our country does not look good. We may have to suffer the cold hands of socialism due to pure ignorance. I know Che shirts and "socialism" are cool these days, but wasn`t expecting this. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ist-fascist-o/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by redEL34 View Post

          This just proves your point. Unbelievable. The future of our country does not look good. We may have to suffer the cold hands of socialism due to pure ignorance. I know Che shirts and "socialism" are cool these days, but wasn`t expecting this. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ist-fascist-o/

          You think this proves the point any more than does the election of Donald Trump to be president?




          Oh, and does this mean you’re trusting polls now?
          Last edited by guido61; 03-10-2019, 10:31 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by guido61 View Post
            And should I point out that we are behind all those evil “democratic socialist” nations Bernie is always raving about?
            Perfectly illustrates the article's point. If people read primary sources, everyone would know that none of those countries are anything like "democratic socialist", with the debatable partial exception of Norway, and that there is no such thing, beyond the soundbite. Yet Bernie doth rave, and his growing echo chamber doth say "amen".

            And yes, Europe (both Western and Eastern, even during the Cold War) has made great efforts towards preserving as many vestiges of what once was termed a "classical education" as possible, though shrinking budgets and rising immigration have put tremendous pressure on the systems, much as they have in Southern California.

            I've had my daughter in an International Baccalaureate school/program since the beginning of Middle school, and while I feel she is still not as well, as broadly or as deeply educated as she would be in Europe, Japan, China or Russia, I've seen enough of the curriculum to know she is getting a more rigorous and more complete education than if she just went to a standard public school program, BY FAR.
            Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

            -- Vaclav Havel

            The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

            -- Carl Sagan


            Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

            -- Joseph Brodsky

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            • #7
              Originally posted by guido61 View Post


              You think this proves the point any more than does the election of Donald Trump to be president?




              Oh, and does this mean you’re trusting polls now?
              If the poll is even close to meaningful, it`s pretty scary. NOBODY expected Donald Trump to win because you`re right, all the polls were against him. He`s probably going to win again with the new Democratic leaders.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redEL34 View Post

                If the poll is even close to meaningful, it`s pretty scary. NOBODY expected Donald Trump to win because you`re right, all the polls were against him. He`s probably going to win again with the new Democratic leaders.
                Well, so far the Dems are doing just about everything possible to make it a certainty.

                Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

                -- Vaclav Havel

                The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

                -- Carl Sagan


                Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

                -- Joseph Brodsky

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                  Well, so far the Dems are doing just about everything possible to make it a certainty.
                  Yes. I`m going to roll with that because I can`t take these socialists. I have not experienced it, but I do know the depraved, bloody history of it. Trump>socialists.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redEL34 View Post

                    Yes. I`m going to roll with that because I can`t take these socialists. I have not experienced it, but I do know the depraved, bloody history of it. Trump>socialists.
                    “Socialists”?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                      Well, so far the Dems are doing just about everything possible to make it a certainty.
                      Coming from probably the forum’s loudest Hillary supporter in 2016, I’ll take this with the according grain of salt

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                      • #12
                        The difference between the Untied Skates and, say, Botswana is that everyone in America is entitled to at least a high school education. The people who can't read are that way because they can't be bothered. They'd rather get their news from "the media" (often right-wing talk show people), their information from politicians, their opinions from right-wing attack ads and their religion from fundamentalist preachers. It's a lot easier than actually reading and thinking for one's own self.

                        I also note that the people most likely to denounce colleges and universities as places where people are "brainwashed" into becoming "liberals" are also the sort least likely to attend them. Or even to read a printed article about what goes on in a college.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                          “Socialists”?
                          ? They are proud of it

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mister Badger View Post
                            The difference between the Untied Skates and, say, Botswana is that everyone in America is entitled to at least a high school education. The people who can't read are that way because they can't be bothered. They'd rather get their news from "the media" (often right-wing talk show people), their information from politicians, their opinions from right-wing attack ads and their religion from fundamentalist preachers. It's a lot easier than actually reading and thinking for one's own self.

                            I also note that the people most likely to denounce colleges and universities as places where people are "brainwashed" into becoming "liberals" are also the sort least likely to attend them. Or even to read a printed article about what goes on in a college.
                            Wrong. I attended and ended up working at one. It`s terrible what they are doing to these kids. Most media is "left wing", if you didn`t notice that you`re just brainwashed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by redEL34 View Post

                              ? They are proud of it
                              They don’t know what it is.

                              Prerry much the point of this thread.

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