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  • For the 7th straight year, Visa overstays surpass illeagal border crossings

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/68605...rder-crossings

    One reason why the wall is a stupid idea.

  • Phil O'Keefe
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    Originally posted by panhandler View Post
    All it takes in one midnight legislative session with a clause buried in a bill 3 feet thick for the law to be changed that the Census bureau will now be obliged to share it's data with law enforcement.

    And... Poof! there ya go.
    They'd fight that tooth and nail, because it would essentially make it impossible for them to do their constitutionally-mandated job due to widespread non-compliance and non-cooperation with them and their field agents from the public. And many politicians would start screaming loudly to the nearest reporter's camera they could find too, which would result in even further public outcry.

    IOW, it's not going to happen.

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  • panhandler
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    All it takes in one midnight legislative session with a clause buried in a bill 3 feet thick for the law to be changed that the Census bureau will now be obliged to share it's data with law enforcement.

    And... Poof! there ya go.

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  • Cornholio Farquarth III
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    Walls and fences are useless. How many people break into military installations? Say wha? Hardly any?

  • Phil O'Keefe
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    Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

    The census asks about other people in the household. Not just the person filling out the form.
    Yes they do. But that doesn't have anything to do with what you're alleging. You're not "incriminating" anyone just because you say whether or not those who live in the house with you are here legally or not. And the Census only asks about those living in your household - they don't ask anything about neighbors, friends, church members and so forth as you were suggesting.

    Again, even if every single person in your house is here illegally, the Census Bureau still can not tell anyone any details about any individual. That includes other federal agencies. The penalty for violating that law is five years in federal penitentiary and a $250,000 fine.



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  • BA.Barcolounger
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    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post


    As long as you're being truthful when you fill out the form, how does answering in the affirmative that you're a citizen in any way implicate or incriminate anyone, whether it be friends, family, neighbors, your fellow church members, or anyone else?
    The census asks about other people in the household. Not just the person filling out the form.

    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

    I had to take the in-depth survey a while back... and I looked into their policies and the laws on them because I had privacy concerns.

    The Census Bureau isn't allowed to share their data with anyone else by federal law. Even if you're a non-citizen, they can't tell other agencies. They're under oath for life.

    So how is that intimidation?

    https://www.census.gov/about/policie...rinciples.html
    Even though the military cannot legally disarm civilians, yet a whole bunch of people believed that the Obama administration was using Jade Helm to take over and disarm Texas.

    imagine for a moment that the Obama administration proposed including a question about gun ownership. What do you think the response would be?

    People believe all sorts of things when they get the impression that the government is "out to get them".

    Trump has said and done many things to convey to minorities that they are the menu.

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  • Phil O'Keefe
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    Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post
    C'mon Phil. Do you not know how intimidation works?

    Legal citizens may have undocumented people in their families, neighborhoods, churches, etc.

    Asking people to incriminate loved ones is not the way to obtain reliable data

    As long as you're being truthful when you fill out the form, how does answering in the affirmative that you're a citizen in any way implicate or incriminate anyone, whether it be friends, family, neighbors, your fellow church members, or anyone else?

    I had to take the in-depth survey a while back... and I looked into their policies and the laws on them because I had privacy concerns.

    The Census Bureau isn't allowed to share their data with anyone else by federal law. Even if you're a non-citizen, they can't tell other agencies. They're under oath for life.

    So how is that intimidation?

    https://www.census.gov/about/policie...rinciples.html

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  • Phil O'Keefe
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    Fair enough.

  • BA.Barcolounger
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    Originally posted by Easy Listener View Post

    You'd be surprised. And here is some nice, fresh perspective:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.b0ea7dc80a41



    It's all about politics for them. They are not representing us. They are protecting their jobs.
    They were willing to accept that bill because it also included a number of provisions that they have been trying to get passed for years - protections for asylum seekers and children of undocumented, streamlining legal immigration, etc.

    Trumps proposal contains none of thos things, so it gets no support from Democrats.

    Also, the Gang of 8 was not out there lying demonizing immigrants, and fearmongering in order to try to get it passed. Trump is getting what he gave.

    That is how politics works.
    Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 01-17-2019, 05:36 PM.

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  • EdBega
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    There needs to be a large refundable deposit put on Visas then when they over stay the funds go towards their removal..

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  • BA.Barcolounger
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    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

    Really? From where?

    That's one of the main things that the Constitution says the census is for, as I have previously substantiated.
    Citizenship data is maintained by the state department, INS, and the social security administration. And I contend that the data housed by those agencies is much more reliable that what would be received by a question on the census (that people can easily leave blank).

    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
    Why would a citizen be afraid to answer a citizenship question?
    C'mon Phil. Do you not know how intimidation works?

    Legal citizens may have undocumented people in their families, neighborhoods, churches, etc.

    Asking people to incriminate loved ones is not the way to obtain reliable data
    Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 01-17-2019, 05:19 PM.

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  • Tom Hicks
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    American law does not permit illegal immigrants to register to vote.

  • Tom Hicks
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    Have you considered the possibility that those places were construction of a physical wall makes sense, that has already been done.

    And that Trump's suggestion of a continuous wall is inappropriate.

  • gubu
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    Build a dome and make the birds pay for it fer crying out loud!

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  • BA.Barcolounger
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    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

    That's the second "supposition" or "unknowable" that you've now admitted to.

    So then, do you want to retract your claims about what "recent history has shown us..." in post #33, since the numbers are, in your words, "unknowable?"




    I have been pretty clear that these are opinions, based on the fact that the last caravan full of "invaders" wound up arriving at the border crossing in Tijuana seeking asylum, and not in the muddle of the desert crossing illegally.

    Also please look at the last 2 words before my numbered list. It will give you a hint.

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