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  • For the 7th straight year, Visa overstays surpass illeagal border crossings

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/68605...rder-crossings

    One reason why the wall is a stupid idea.
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    So when you're building a wall, bring your Visa, because President Trump doesn't like immigrants, and he doesn't take American Express.

    Visa, It's Everywhere You Want To Be.
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    For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
    Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by erok123 View Post
      https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/68605...rder-crossings

      One reason why the wall is a stupid idea.
      So, two wrongs make a right? More liberal logic.
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      • Tom Hicks
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        No but three lefts make a right.

        Try it sometime.

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      Please -- more about liberal logic. veeger requires the information

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      • #5
        Originally posted by Uncle Figgy View Post

        So, two wrongs make a right? More liberal logic.
        Aw, more "substance".

        I'm not allowed to name the "substance" in question by name.


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      • #6
        This is some of the strongest information which undercuts the wall.

        what you mean most people did not sneak across the border?
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          These people are so scared of the Orange Menace that they took a plane instead of jumping the wall.
          "Truth is what stands the test of experience."

          ...Albert Einstein

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          • #8
            BUT I WANT A WALL!!!!!!!!!!
            tRump is NO star player. The ball simply bounced in his direction.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Uncle Figgy View Post

              So, two wrongs make a right? More liberal logic.
              Liberal logic is to insure that what steps is taken to address illegal immigration will be the most effective methods of control for the money spent, and so far nothing has demonstrated that erecting fencing along portions of the border meets that criteria.

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              • #10
                A sincere question: how do they know just how many people are coming in over the border illegally if those people are not being caught? IOW, how can they determine which is worse (illegal border crossings vs. visa overstays) without being able to accurately count the number of people who don't get caught crossing the border?

                The visa overstay number is relatively easy to determine by comparison since they have records and know who came in, and whether or not they left. The illegal border crossings, not so much.... unless I'm overlooking something, which is why I'm asking...

                Regardless of the answer to that question, IMO, neither should be ignored; it doesn't matter which is "worse" if both are a significant source of people being in the US without authorization. IMO, both parts of the problem (as well as others) need to be addressed, which is (again) why I support a comprehensive approach to the problem.

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                • bildo
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                  Come on Phil...reason is not supposed to be part of the equation.

              • #11
                Originally posted by BadDaddy View Post

                Liberal logic is to insure that what steps is taken to address illegal immigration will be the most effective methods of control for the money spent, and so far nothing has demonstrated that erecting fencing along portions of the border meets that criteria.
                Nothing, really? Have you heard about gated communities?

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                • Tom Hicks
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                  They are associated with homeowners associations which regulate even such Minor Details as what kind of bushes you can plant or how you paint your house.

                  Let's not make the mistake of extending those authoritarian tendencies onto a national scale.

                • Daehtihs
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                  I'm talking about the fencing Tom.

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                  Walls and fences are useless. How many people break into military installations? Say wha? Hardly any?

              • #12
                Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                A sincere question: how do they know just how many people are coming in over the border illegally if those people are not being caught? IOW, how can they determine which is worse (illegal border crossings vs. visa overstays) without being able to accurately count the number of people who don't get caught crossing the border?

                The visa overstay number is relatively easy to determine by comparison since they have records and know who came in, and whether or not they left. The illegal border crossings, not so much.... unless I'm overlooking something, which is why I'm asking...

                Regardless of the answer to that question, IMO, neither should be ignored; it doesn't matter which is "worse" if both are a significant source of people being in the US without authorization. IMO, both parts of the problem (as well as others) need to be addressed, which is (again) why I support a comprehensive approach to the problem.
                Beyond knowing how many are here. The fed, state and municipalities use the census data to do long term infrastructure planning. By example, I have a co-worker who is an Indian national. He uses the same infrastructure that I do. It's imperative to understand the growth/decline and demographic to do what is in the best interest (of who is always the debate). Whether here legally or not the impact on budgets and infrastructure is the same.

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                • #13
                  Originally posted by Daehtihs View Post

                  Nothing, really? Have you heard about gated communities?
                  I lived in a gated community. It sure didn’t stop people from getting in and out. In fact crimes there were a little higher than neighboring ungated communities.

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                  • Daehtihs
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                    Of course you lived in a gated community where crime was higher inside than outside the fencing. Are you sure you weren't in prison? lol!

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                  Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                  A sincere question: how do they know just how many people are coming in over the border illegally if those people are not being caught? IOW, how can they determine which is worse (illegal border crossings vs. visa overstays) without being able to accurately count the number of people who don't get caught crossing the border?
                  Because it is an "unknowable", they use extrapolation. The make an informed estimate based on number of captures, number of missed captures (they got away), number of people caught later on, witness reports, local law enforcement estimates and physical evidence (abandoned campouts, garbage on known routes, etc).
                  Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 01-17-2019, 11:54 AM.

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                  • #15
                    Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

                    Because it is an "unknowable", they use extrapolation. The make an informed estimate based on number of captures, number of missed captures (they got away), number of people caught later on, witness reports, local law enforcement estimates and physical evidence (abandoned campouts, garbage on known routes, etc).
                    Yea but how do they know

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