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  • Would Trump have won without Russian help?

    We know that the Russians actively worked to influence the election. We're starting to see evidence that the Trump campaign provided tactical information to the Russians and they may have done the same in return.

    Without this "collusion", would Trump have won?

    My own anecdotal evidence is my brother, who lives in PA. He voted for Trump and the reasons he put up are like a list of the propaganda sites that went up during the election. Bro bought the package and unfortunately it's not working out the way he expected. Without the propaganda would my brother still have voted Trump? Hard to say. But it was a slim margin.

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    I doubt it.

    It was a perfect storm of Russian propaganda, winning the EC while losing the popular vote, and the dem candidate dropping the ball.

    Take any of those out of the equation, it's a different result imo.

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    • #3
      No way Trump would have won unless he cheated. Hillary was universally loved and her record as a public servant was beyond reproach.
      "I belong to,a religion that calls for the hatered and stupidity. My religious beliefs doesn't allow me to serve Trumplethinskin or his trumpanzees"- oldsoapbars

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      • moogerfooger
        moogerfooger commented
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        this ^^^^^^^^^

    • #4
      Originally posted by Uncle Figgy View Post
      No way Trump would have won unless he cheated. Hillary was universally loved and her record as a public servant was beyond reproach.
      Her record is closer to 'beyond reproach' then that of the tangerine turdlicker.
      POST NO BILLS

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      • #5
        Originally posted by panhandler View Post

        Her record is closer to 'beyond reproach' then that of the tangerine turdlicker.
        And his hands are small. Don't forget about that. And he has thinskin. This is probably the most important thing to remember. Small hands with thin skin. Hillary has nice big hands with hardy thick skin. Can we impeach him for his small hands?
        "I belong to,a religion that calls for the hatered and stupidity. My religious beliefs doesn't allow me to serve Trumplethinskin or his trumpanzees"- oldsoapbars

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        • #6
          Well, the Russians certainly influenced ME. Without their input, I would have voted for a socialist.



          REALLY?

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Danocoustic View Post
            Well, the Russians certainly influenced ME. Without their input, I would have voted for a socialist.



            REALLY?
            That's because you are a middle-America moronic bigot that is easily duped by a failed businessman reality television narcissistic lying con-man...or something like that. (wink)
            "I belong to,a religion that calls for the hatered and stupidity. My religious beliefs doesn't allow me to serve Trumplethinskin or his trumpanzees"- oldsoapbars

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            • arcadesonfire
              arcadesonfire commented
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              If I understand correctly, Danocpustic was NOT duped by Trump. Doesn’t matter your state or territory, people from all around the country can see through Trump.

            • Danocoustic
              Danocoustic commented
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              I believe he was being sarcastic/purposely ridiculous, aof. At least that's how I took it.

            • Phil O'Keefe
              Phil O'Keefe commented
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              Yes, I would agree Dano... it was intended sarcastically.

              Still, I would caution you to be careful about such posts Figgy, lest someone miss the intended sarcasm and take offense.

          • #8
            Originally posted by Uncle Figgy View Post

            That's because you are a middle-America moronic bigot that is easily duped by a failed businessman reality television narcissistic lying con-man...or something like that. (wink)
            You're aware I think Trump is an assclown, right, Unk?

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Danocoustic View Post
              Well, the Russians certainly influenced ME. Without their input, I would have voted for a socialist.



              REALLY?
              You think Hillary was a socialist?

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              • #10
                Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

                You think Hillary was a socialist?
                Did I say that?

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                • bildo
                  bildo commented
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                  He always puts words in others mouths. The only way it works for him is to make it up.

              • #11
                Originally posted by Uncle Figgy View Post

                And his hands are small. Don't forget about that. And he has thinskin. This is probably the most important thing to remember. Small hands with thin skin. Hillary has nice big hands with hardy thick skin. Can we impeach him for his small hands?
                LOL @ hands. UF triggered
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                • #12
                  Originally posted by Danocoustic View Post

                  Did I say that?
                  Who was Trump running against?

                  Anyway, this thread is not about you. In 2016, you were an informed and "decided" voter.

                  The Russian ads were targeted at low-information "undecided" voters and disillusioned Bernie voters. You were not in their crosshairs.
                  Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 01-10-2019, 07:38 AM.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by panhandler View Post

                    LOL @ hands. UF triggered
                    It's funny. The only reason anyone brings up his hands is because they KNOW it bothers him so much.

                    It all started back in the day with a reporter in NYC calling him a "short-fingered vulgarian". It bothered him so much that he sent pictures of his hands to the reporter FOR YEARS.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by BA.Barcolounger View Post

                      Who was Trump running against?

                      Anyway, this thread is not about you. In 2016, you were an informed and "decided" voter.

                      The Russian ads were targeted at low-information "undecided" voters and disillusioned Bernie voters. You were not in their crosshairs.
                      How in the world do you know what I was in 2016? Why ISN'T this thread about me (and every other American voter)?...and how do you KNOW who these alleged ads targeted? You got some kind of inside info the rest of us aren't privy to?

                      You make one helluva lot of assumptions. BA.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by Danocoustic View Post

                        You're aware I think Trump is an assclown, right, Unk?
                        That's how crafty he is... even people that don't like him and hard core socialists were tricked into voting for him.
                        "I belong to,a religion that calls for the hatered and stupidity. My religious beliefs doesn't allow me to serve Trumplethinskin or his trumpanzees"- oldsoapbars

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