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  • #46
    I don't see open mics costing pros paying gigs. Those clubs weren't going to hire the anyways. Live music is dying. Get used to that idea and then go the way of the dinosaur

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  • #47
    Originally posted by Chuck Nuggets View Post
    LMAO!

    That's an inherent trait amongst Gemini people. My sister recently broke-up with a guy she had been dating for three years. After describing to me the issues involved, I asked; When was this guy born? His proclivities sound like that of a Gemini. She replied; "No, he's an Aries. Born on May 30th..." I replied; No, he's a Gemini.
    I'm an Aries. Motto: Lower head. Move forward. Repeat as needed.
    !

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    • Crazyfoo
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      I’m a Gemini

  • #48
    Oh, astrology...?

    My birthday is 22AUG, which puts me on the cusp of Leo and Virgo.

    That would make me an egotist who's way too sensitive for his own good.

    Nah. Couldn't be!
    I not only resent the allegation, I resent the alligator!

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    • arf-boy
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      I usually just say, "I'm a Feces".

    • Danocoustic
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      "What's your sign?"
      "Yield"

    • Chuck Nuggets
      Chuck Nuggets commented
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      Feces... LOL!

  • #49
    Originally posted by Chuck Nuggets View Post
    LMAO!

    That's an inherent trait amongst Gemini people. My sister recently broke-up with a guy she had been dating for three years. After describing to me the issues involved, I asked; When was this guy born? His proclivities sound like that of a Gemini. She replied; "No, he's an Aries. Born on May 30th..." I replied; No, he's a Gemini.
    I'm a Capricorn, on the edge of a somewhat sadly significant birthday. My question is, how many times can you go over the same hill?
    "Truth is what stands the test of experience."

    ...Albert Einstein

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    • #50
      If I am asked what my sign is, my response is generally along the lines of "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Burma-Shave".
      Lease this space!

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      • #51
        Originally posted by oldsoapbars View Post
        I don't see open mics costing pros paying gigs. Those clubs weren't going to hire the anyways. Live music is dying. Get used to that idea and then go the way of the dinosaur
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        Lease this space!

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        • #52
          Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

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          It's pronounced GERund

          not guhRAND

          gawtdambit!
          I not only resent the allegation, I resent the alligator!

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          • #53
            Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

            Yes, my problem is with the bars that ONLY do open mic nights and don't hire bands. If the open mic is a way to "audition" or just a mid-week throwaway, no problem. If it's the only thing they do and they are advertising it as "live music" (which this place is doing), then IMO it's not something I want to support.
            Yep, I get what you are saying. There is a brewery (Aztec Brewing) just down the street from my business that has an open mic night. They also have some regular gig bands in there too. They provide the stage, sound, and sound person so it's fun. But you're right, some places have learned that why pay a band when you can draw people for next to free.
            Winning an argument with a smart person is difficult. Winning an argument with a stupid person is damn near impossible.

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            • #54
              I'm used to most bar gigs being unpaid. The last bar gig I played in Oakland, the majority of the audience was comprised of people who were playing that night and their friends. It's like a punk show or a music community event. SF used to be the same way, but many of the dive bars that used to book bands have been driven out of business.

              The bars that are primarily marketed as music venues in SF, Oakland and Berkeley are different. They do pay, but it's hard to land a spot and the cover charge is usually high enough to dissuade people from just walking in off the street.

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              • #55
                Originally posted by Zooey View Post
                I'm used to most bar gigs being unpaid.
                Wow. Well, OK.

                Why would you play a club gig that didn't pay?

                Honestly, I can generally make a lot more money playing theater, festival and casino gigs than clubs, but even so there is a minimum for me to take my gear out and play a show. I'm just not carrying $10-20K of equipment and instruments out to a bar for $50, and I cannot understand why anyone would expect it.
                Lease this space!

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                • #56
                  Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post
                  If I am asked what my sign is, my response is generally along the lines of "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Burma-Shave".
                  I always say Triceratops "But, but... that's a made up sign!" "Yeah, and your point is...?"
                  Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

                  -- Vaclav Havel

                  The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

                  -- Carl Sagan


                  Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

                  -- Joseph Brodsky

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                  • #57
                    Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                    I always say Triceratops "But, but... that's a made up sign!" "Yeah, and your point is...?"
                    Triceracop!

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                    While she's talking, I'll use my mind to think of other things. She can't stop my mind!

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                    • #58
                      Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

                      Wow. Well, OK.

                      Why would you play a club gig that didn't pay?
                      That's the way bar gigs are around here. I know very talented bands who take vacation days to tour on their own dime and lose money doing it. The actual music venues in the area (Slim's, Yoshi's, Bottom of the Hill, Independent, etc.) do pay and sometimes book local bands that are not nationally known, but you need connections or a manager to get those gigs.

                      There used to be some SF bars who would pay artists to have a residency and play regularly for bar patrons. Jim Campilongo and Charlie Hunter had gigs like that, but they obviously didn't pay much because both those guys moved to NYC a long time ago.

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                      • #59
                        Just back from tonight's Open Mic.

                        We had a guy with a B-bender acoustic who played a solo set and then sat in with two other guys.

                        We had a piano-cello duo playing protest anthems and old country tunes.

                        There was a young guy doing both Neil Young and metal tunes on acoustic.

                        And I had a friend play bass with me on a set -- a treat for me because I'm usually the bass player.

                        !

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                        • Zooey
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                          I just spent about three seconds trying to picture what a piano-cello looks like, then I read the rest of the sentence.

                      • #60
                        Originally posted by Red Ant View Post
                        I've never been to one, either as a participant or spectator. There is very little that instantly makes me want to leave more than the sight of a guy or girl with an acoustic guitar.
                        Generally true, but it depends. If it's Al DiMeola or Tommy Emmanuel, I'm going to order two drinks and settle in for a while. Those guys don't often show up at open mics, though....so......yeah.



                        I got this response to a similar thread in one of the other forums here. I'm cross-posting it - mods feel free to delete if this violates a rule. I just thought it was a decent addition to the discussion here:

                        Originally posted by daddymack View Post
                        Most bar owners don't typically care about the quality of the music, just what they ring up over the night.
                        Well, this certainly makes sense, as we all know that in the end we are beer salesmen, not musicians. That said, a club that gets a reputation of having better performers will likely end up drawing better crowds over time, and people will definitely stay longer and drink more if the environment is enjoyable. Perhaps part of the problem is the lack of quality bands who are available to play these gigs....? If all they can get is really bad garage bands and a couple of unsigned local guys trying to sell their CDs, maybe it's a chicken-and-egg thing?

                        But, to be fair, would it hurt you to go back up a buddy on a couple of songs [assuming the backline is good and the drinks reasonable]? I do on occasion, but I also try to plug my bands when I do. Every now and then it pays off with a decent paying gig.
                        I might drop in once just to keep the relationship up, but I honestly see no potential benefit for any of my regular gigs. These places aren't going to hire a 7- or 8-piece horn band (we wouldn't fit physically, and I can't imagine them paying enough to bring us in), nor do they build any influence over my steady diet of theater pit gigs. FWIW, I stopped in to look at one of these two places the other night, and there was NO backline provided, two mics on straight stands, one crappy monitor and one small "$h1t on a stick" FOH speaker.

                        A few years ago, they were putting actual bands in the same space, but the bands always had to bring their own gear (which is fine - just putting it in perspective). Heck, the rehearsal sound rig I have in my barn would be a massive upgrade.......
                        Lease this space!

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