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  • OT: Do you think that too often making music centers around acquiring gear?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm as happy with a New Gear Day as the next guy.

    But do we put to much emphasis on gear as opposed to musicianship?
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  • #2
    Bruce Swedien once told me that the best mic to record with is the one you have. too many people wait to assemble gear they think they have to have instead of using what they got. something to that effect. smart guy that Bruce.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by moogerfooger View Post
      Bruce Swedien once told me that the best mic to record with is the one you have. too many people wait to assemble gear they think they have to have instead of using what they got. something to that effect. smart guy that Bruce.
      I totally agree, and I sincerely love the man, but then again, have you seen some of the mics he has?
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      • Red Ant
        Red Ant commented
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        This.

      • onelife
        onelife commented
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        I read somewhere where he said "I'm not high tech at all... except for microphones."

    • #4
      I think it is a great question erok.... musicianship matters most, but IMHO gear is far from unimportant... but it is a means to an end, not the end in and of itself.
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      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
      - George Carlin

      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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      • #5
        I’ve never really been a gear-hound. I’ve known many people who are. Most often guitar players it seems. Always in pursuit of the perfect “tone”.

        For some it distracted from their playing. Others not so much.

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        • #6
          I kind of look at gear like tools. I have a different guitars that do different things same with amps. Mics are like paint brushes they all a place, using the right mic for the sound you're going after can save you from EQ'ing things later, in so doing give you a more organic sound.

          You don't need tons of gear though unless you play lots of different styles of music and need very specific tones to achieve your goals. I play a spectrum of heavy stuff so I need to get convincing punk, metal, and hard rock tones. That's probably why I only need 7 guitars and 4 amps. I could do it with less but why?
          Last edited by Daehtihs; 12-06-2018, 12:49 PM.

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          • #7
            I'm a bit of a gear hound but in my mind the gear and playing are compententalized. I play music (sort of) not the guitar. I use the instrument as a tool. All instruments fall into two categories, for me, players and wall art, I don't need wall art.

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            • #8
              I fall into that trap and I hardly pick up the guitar any more.
              for example, in the last year I have purchased the following items.
              13 boutique effects and a board to hold them all.
              a custom shop fender vibroverb, a vox a.c. 15 ,a fender American vintage 65 Stratocaster, a Gibson les Paul traditional and Tuesday I bought a metro jtm45 clone and a 1960ax cab.
              I got it bad, but, I buy cheap and sell high. I've never lost money on music gear.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by erok123 View Post
                Don't get me wrong, I'm as happy with a New Gear Day as the next guy.

                But do we put to much emphasis on gear as opposed to musicianship?
                People who make music need instruments. Beyond that, the best guitar is the one that you enjoy playing, and I don't believe that gear-swapping and collecting improves your ability to play. I don't need 15 guitars to go out and play gigs that satisfy the audience....YMMV.

                Speaking for myself, I haven't bought a new guitar or amp in about a decade. The ones I have sound really good and work well for me, so I just don't have a need for more stuff to carry around. In fact, the last I started having problem with one of my electrics, I just put new frets on it and put it back into the line-up - all good!

                That said, I do occasionally buy new gear if my needs change. In the past couple of years I've added a banjo (yes, I've actually had to play it in public), a Torpedo Live, a Behringer XR12, a new, larger rack case (to accommodate the addition of the Torpedo and XR12), and a couple of powered monitors. Now I use this setup with my trusty Bogner XTC instead of carrying a guitar cabinet and a handful of DIs and a mic stand for my cabinet and a monitor and a bunch of mic cable. FOH gets one send for all my stuff, and I only need one monitor for all of my sounds/vocals. I still get the Bogner sound, but I carry less stuff and it's quicker to set up and tear down.

                Now, all of that said, I am reaching the point where some of my long-term gear is beginning to just plain wear out. Every instrument reaches a point where it starts to have instabilities and issues that can't easily be repaired, and my primary steel-string and electric (Steinberger GL2TA) are both hitting that point. It's tough for me to consider changing, though, as I've been playing them both for long enough that they feel like part of my identity and playing style........but I'm fairly certain that they won't survive long enough to get me through the rest of my playing years.
                Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 12-06-2018, 12:36 PM.
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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Daehtihs View Post
                  You don't need tons of gear though unless you play lots of different styles of music and need very specific tones to achieve your goals. I play a spectrum heavy stuff so I need to get convincing punk, metal, and hard rock tones. That's probably why I only need 7 guitars and 4 amps. I could do it with less but why?
                  I would agree to some point. I would suggest that if you're doing punk, metal, and hard rock, you could cover it with 3 guitars and one (maybe 2) amps.....but that's probably not the reason you have all of 'em, right?

                  The majority of playing that I do comes in two flavors - jazz/pop/rock/funk cover bands and musical theater gigs. Both require a wide range of sounds, and the theatrical stuff can require swapping from jazz to funk to country to heavy rock within a few bars (damn you, Andrew Lloyd Webber!). In the pit, space is at a premium so I can't always bring 5 different guitars - and I already generally need an electric, a steel-string, a nylon-string, and maybe an oddball like banjo, ukelele, or mandolin just to cover the prescriptive parts. The only reason I will carry multiple electrics into a pit gig is if I need a fast change of tunings.

                  I use the Bogner because it allows me to cover a lot of different styles without carrying multiple amps, and a single rack FX unit with a wide range of programs allows me to swap from EWF to Green Day to Van Halen to Freddie Green with a couple of footswitch taps. There are other 3- and 4-channel amps that can do this as well....YMMV. JMO. Lather, rinse, repeat. Don't try this at home. Professional on closed course, etc.
                  Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 12-06-2018, 12:46 PM.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by buckwalder View Post
                    I fall into that trap and I hardly pick up the guitar any more.
                    for example, in the last year I have purchased the following items.
                    13 boutique effects and a board to hold them all.
                    a custom shop fender vibroverb, a vox a.c. 15 ,a fender American vintage 65 Stratocaster, a Gibson les Paul traditional and Tuesday I bought a metro jtm45 clone and a 1960ax cab.
                    I got it bad, but, I buy cheap and sell high. I've never lost money on music gear.
                    That's some nice stuff Buck, how do you like the metro?

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                    • buckwalder
                      buckwalder commented
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                      I like it but it's way louder than expected. I,m looking for the 1960 ax straight cab . Then I'll have a full stack to put in a corner .

                  • #12
                    I've always been fascinated by those guys who accumulate a ton of gear but never actually play in any bands or gig.

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                      I've always been fascinated by those guys who accumulate a ton of gear but never actually play in any bands or gig.
                      I saw a guy that had literally dozens of high end 100 watt amps that he's never gigged or even jammed. He just rocks out by himself.
                      Last edited by Daehtihs; 12-06-2018, 01:08 PM.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                        I've always been fascinated by those guys who accumulate a ton of gear but never actually play in any bands or gig.
                        I find this to be roughly equivalent to the guys who have a garage full of Porsches and Ferraris, yet never drive on a track at speed or learn to drive them properly, much less race them. They seem to view those cars as mechanical art, while I view them as tools for use on a racetrack, much like I view my instruments.

                        I quess that I'm on the other end of both spectrums, with only a couple of race cars and guitars/amps; my focus is more on actually using them. I'm sure that the hobbyists have their reasons, though, and get their enjoyment out of their preferred aspects of the hobby, so I see no reason to look down at the "pure collectors".
                        "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

                          I find this to be roughly equivalent to the guys who have a garage full of Porsches and Ferraris, yet never drive on a track at speed or learn to drive them properly, much less race them. They seem to view those cars as mechanical art, while I view them as tools for use on a racetrack, much like I view my instruments.

                          I quess that I'm on the other end of both spectrums, with only a couple of race cars and guitars/amps; my focus is more on actually using them. I'm sure that the hobbyists have their reasons, though, and get their enjoyment out of their preferred aspects of the hobby, so I see no reason to look down at the "pure collectors".
                          I don't look down on them. It's just odd to me.

                          For me it's always been about the gig and I've spent most of life just barely being able to afford just enough good gear to get by. So I've never really ever had a surplus of gear. Now that I'm older I've accumulated a lot but most of that is because I have a bunch of old stuff in the basement that I've never gotten around to getting rid of.

                          Keyboards tend to wear out after about 5-10 years, depending on how often you play out, and that seems to be right about the time someone comes out with the new latest-and-greatest board anyway. So I've never really had any overkill. And I try to keep the rig to minimum because it's a pain in the ass to haul around and set up as it is.

                          Back-in-the-day one needed a full arsenal of keyboards to get all the different sounds you might want. Technology is such now that all of that isn't needed. One or two good boards is all you need, really.

                          Outboard effects units are pretty much obsolete too.
                          Last edited by guido61; 12-06-2018, 01:36 PM.

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                          • Crazyfoo
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                            How true is that, when I was on the road in the 80's, I hauled around (2) three-tier keyboard stands, 5 keyboards and a pile of other crap. Fast forward to today and (1) Korg Kronus can easily replace the entire lot. Perfect world, if I was playing in a band today I would likely have 2 keyboards for efficiency and that would still be much easier than the old days.
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