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  • #16
    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

    Depending on where you live, you already can't see the majority of them that you would normally be able to see with the unaided eye from a dark location... just a small handful of them at most. Going to a truly "dark site" is a mind-blowing, eye-opening revelation for many people.

    I live in a brown zone (just brighter than the yellow zones - about a Bortle Class 5) and I can see the Milky Way on a moonless night with the naked eye, but it's pretty blown-out. Most people in the world live in red, gray or white zones and can't see it at all from where they live. Some can't even make out the brightest constellations, such as Orion or Ursa Major (the "big dipper.") And that's a shame. It's not only bad for scientific research, but it's messing with sleep and overall health for a lot of people too.

    Check this Dark Sky finder to see how bad the light pollution is where you live:

    https://darksitefinder.com/maps/worl...4/39.00/-98.00
    I'm right on the edge of a yellow region. However, even with that much light, I can see a LOT of stars. Once I turn off our outside lighting and go back away from all of the buildings, it turns out that being in the middle of a large unlit agricultural area really does make a big difference, even if the nearby town pushes up a lot of light.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Daryl Flynn View Post

      Well, F China

      I think there is light pollution.

      I moved out into the country (as much as you can in coastal So Cal). Wine country, actually. And, these losers from LA and the Bay Area come here and want to put bright LED lights everywhere.

      I like it pitch black at night.



      Dude you are in Temecula?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Danocoustic View Post
        Crimson Trace lasergrips
        My parents love them. I prefer Trijicon night sights.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

          I'm right on the edge of a yellow region. However, even with that much light, I can see a LOT of stars. Once I turn off our outside lighting and go back away from all of the buildings, it turns out that being in the middle of a large unlit agricultural area really does make a big difference, even if the nearby town pushes up a lot of light.
          I'm very close to a yellow zone (just about on the border of one), and when I look to my east or north, it's really dark - the yellow and green areas right next to me are pretty small / narrow, and there are blue to black zones beyond them. If I look towards LA or the Inland Empire basin, it's all lit up - a good 20-30 degrees of the sky above the horizon is gray-white. Where I'm at now is much, much better than where I grew up - which was a red / white zone. It's better still when you're deep into a yellow or green zone, and much better still once you get to the blue and (especially) black zones. But regardless of the zone you're in, getting away from and out of the direct line of sight of any local lights and giving your eyes a half an hour or more to acclimate to the dark will increase the number of stars you're able to see. That's particularly true for anyone who isn't living in a white / red or gray zone.

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          - George Carlin

          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zooey View Post

            Dude you are in Temecula?
            No, I'm north of Santa Barbara. I'm in the area where they filmed that movie Sideways about the two guys taking a tour through the wine country.

            Funny as hell. Highly recommended.







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            • #21
              I am about 30 miles north of Seattle on a land locked piece of property. Everett is the closest city but doesn't affect us too much. Unfortunately our acre or so of clear land is surrounded 360 degrees by really tall firs and cedars so I only get a straight up view of the stars. But on a clear night we can see them very clearly. We get a lot of clouds around here, especially in the late fall to early spring time which I think is a better period for star gazing than mid summer. Last night I was out in the front yard with all the lights out and I could see tons of stars, etc. The only light pollution was the glow on the button of my vape pen.

              To answer the OP, I'm not afraid of the night. I'm afraid of the weirdos and crazies that are attracted by the gloom. And if someone is sneaking around my place at night, being in such a rural area, then they most likely aren't Jehovah's Witnesses or vacuum salesmen so they had better proceed with caution.
              Last edited by Yakburger; 10-19-2018, 03:24 PM.

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              • #22
                Now everyone's gonna want a moon!
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              • #23
                Originally posted by panhandler View Post
                Now everyone's gonna want a moon!
                I can see Oprah now, “You get a moon! You get a moon! You get a moon too!!”
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              • #24
                Night is when the mind's eye replaces the lack of normal vision and all manner of ghosts, goblins, gremlins, ghouls, gargoyles and gods wreak havoc upon the imagination.

                Edit: Did I mention gods?
                Last edited by Idunno; 10-19-2018, 04:33 PM.
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                • #25
                  Originally posted by panhandler View Post
                  Now everyone's gonna want a moon!
                  omg, actually even though that was funny, you're probably right!

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                  • #26
                    Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                    My parents love them. I prefer Trijicon night sights.
                    Trijicon is HQed about 30 miles from here. Two of my friends work for them. Have their front sights on all my 1911s (prefer plain rear sights). If I get the Kimber Micro9 I'm drooling over, it will have CT grips and a Trij front post.
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                    • #27
                      I'm for it. I'm sorry sir, but I am for it. If the real moon can't do the job, then by god, we'll make one that does!
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                      • #28
                        Kimber makes nice pistols - you have good taste.
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                        "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                        - George Carlin

                        "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                        - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                        "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                        - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                        • #29
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                          As if light pollution wasn't already bad enough, China wants to launch an artificial moon into orbit to help illuminate one of their cities, with more to possibly follow if the design proves to be effective.


                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...HOu?li=BBnb7Kz
                          That's one hella-strange approach to infrastructure is all ima say.
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                          • #30
                            Originally posted by Daryl Flynn View Post

                            No, I'm north of Santa Barbara. I'm in the area where they filmed that movie Sideways about the two guys taking a tour through the wine country.

                            Funny as hell. Highly recommended.






                            is that the actual movie poster or was it touched up by the same lady that did the ecco homo fesco?
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